If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The publicly run rail operators outperformed the private companies they replaced by a considerable margin, until the Tories dissolved them to hand the franchises back over to their money grabbing mates.

the state run railways were a disaster, declining number of passengers, accident prone, dirty and a massive burden on the taxpayers.

The armed forces, to my knowledge are not considered ineffective and as far as I know Theresa May hasn't yet found a way to privatise them and make them wear corporate logos over their combat fatigues.

many of the lads that were sadly injured or killed because of shortage of equipement, the wrong equipment etc would not agree with you.

The problem with you lot is you are mesmerised by your own failures in the 70s and 80s and assume that because boomers apparently couldn't run a state run p- up in a public sector brewery, that no one else can.

I think we are well aware that the boomers were not capable of providing the UK with a government that could run any public services during this period.

by 1980 the oldest boomers were 35 and the youngest were 15 years old.

They probably weren't capabale of the running the country just as the 15 to 35 year olds today don't do a very good job.

But times have changed, people have changed, and politics is changing.

Quite what you all expect from Brexit is beyond me. You are desperate to return the UK to a past that you all claim was awful.

we expect to engage with the whole world rather than your comfort zone of white christian european countries only.
And it gives the 15 - 35 year olds today the opportunity to show how they can run the country.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The point that you are missing, all of you actually quite spectacularly - is that your vision of patriotism is not the same as ours. And you do not in any way have a monopoly on patriotism because you have cornered the market in jingoism.

The Britain that I live in, that I am proud of, is inclusive, global, educated, welcoming and tolerant. And I am not going to abandon it to you.

I think you will find over the coming years that a great many people feel the same.

Ah, totally unlike any of your posts then?

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The point that you are missing, all of you actually quite spectacularly - is that your vision of patriotism is not the same as ours. And you do not in any way have a monopoly on patriotism because you have cornered the market in jingoism.

The Britain that I live in, that I am proud of, is inclusive, global, educated, welcoming and tolerant. And I am not going to abandon it to you.

I think you will find over the coming years that a great many people feel the same.

indeed, your idea of patriotism is to discriminate against 160 countries of the world and favour white, christian european ones only.

ruggedtoast

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high

The turnout among young people aged 18 to 24 in the EU referendum was almost double the level that has been widely reported since polling day, according to evidence compiled at the London School of Economics.

The new findings – based on detailed polling conducted since the referendum by Opinium, and analysed by Michael Bruter, professor of political science and European politics at the LSE, and his colleague, Dr Sarah Harrison – suggests the turnout was 64% among this age group.

This is significant, not just because it overturns the "young people didn't vote so can't complain" applecart, but because it also overturns the "young people don't care" applecart too.

If Brexiters think they are going to get anything other than complete opposition to their vandalism of the opportunities of the young, they are going to think again.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

Applecarts flying all over the place.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high



This is significant, not just because it overturns the "young people didn't vote so can't complain" applecart, but because it also overturns the "young people don't care" applecart too.

If Brexiters think they are going to get anything other than complete opposition to their vandalism of the opportunities of the young, they are going to think again.

I'm sure you're one man forum war against old people will bear fruit eventually... maybe... :rotfl:

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If Brexiters think they are going to get anything other than complete opposition to their vandalism of the opportunities of the young, they are going to think again.

As one gets further away from the one sided educationalist diet, many become aware of a whole other breadth of argument.


My boys got only a cursory view of the positives of leaving from their school. The teachers imparted a completely slanted view and as far as I can tell this is standard (many videos dedicated to this corruption can be found on Youtube, often from academics that decry the 'liberal' bias found in education)


I've asked a number of kids about their understanding and a typical misunderstanding is that we are 'leaving Europe and trade will stop / we are turning our backs on Europe'. They also think a trade deal is required to enable successful trade. Obviously this is profound nonsense.

CKhalvashi

ruggedtoast wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high



This is significant, not just because it overturns the "young people didn't vote so can't complain" applecart, but because it also overturns the "young people don't care" applecart too.

If Brexiters think they are going to get anything other than complete opposition to their vandalism of the opportunities of the young, they are going to think again.

Agreed!

In the words of my mother, those in their teens/20s now shouldn't be forced to pay for the mistakes her generation made.

Sadly it's going to be that way, and whilst that directly isn't what I have the issue with, the way the Brexiteers (and the government) are going about it is a massive issue.

I refuse to lose years of hard work as a result of the actions of the government, and I also refuse to lose my EU citizenship as a result of the actions of the government.

I'm expecting an ECJ case for clarification on whether EU citizenship is separate to British or in addition to, and I'd take a bet it's separate due to the status of the Channel Islands. That could lead to a very interesting situation where we're still paying for MEPs to represent all British citizens.

Freedom of expression doesn't give anyone the right to abuse and intimidate those that disagree with you, and as many on this thread are aware I've had other contact details posted on here, however I refuse to not provide my viewpoint, as in a Britain that works for everyone, it's important that everyone is listened to.

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

As one gets further away from the one sided educationalist diet, one learns the other side of the argument.


My boys got only a cursory view of the positives of leaving from their school. The teachers imparted a completely slanted view and as far as I can tell this is standard (many videos dedicated to this corruption can be found on Youtube, often from academics that decry the 'liberal' bias found in education)


I've asked a number of kids about their understanding and a typical misunderstanding is that we are 'leaving Europe and trade will stop / we are turning our backs on Europe'. Obviously this is profound nonsense.

Unlike this alt-right echo chamber where even the voice of one of the most knowledgeable and capable posters on any economics forum, Generali, was silenced in favour of ranting xenophobes.

Well they are the ones that show up wanting to have a good old moan about foreigners before clicking two dozen paid links in a frenzied attempt to get £2.50 off a year of Sky TV.

God forbid they should have to read any opposing opinions that might sour their hunt for coupons...

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I refuse to lose years of hard work as a result of the actions of the government,

New Zealand farmers on BBC Countryfile on Sunday explained how the UK dropped more or less all their trade at the stroke of pen when we joined the EEC.


This meant they lost their subsidies over night and had to sink or swim.


Loads of financial services business went to the wall as a result of Govt action to ration mortgages by way of overly tight regulation in 2008.


What makes you immune to change?