If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

CKhalvashi wrote: »

It's not just the labour aspect I'm looking at here.

The companies in question could serve as a very quick and cheap-ish option for expansion if a British manufacturer was to be in need of a turnkey operaton.
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Here's a novel idea. Why not set up an operation here.

I'm sick to death of middle class liberals on here who don't back our own workforce.

Well, news flash. The people in places like Stoke On Trent have woken up to this fact, and truthfully, they don't give a stuff about the guardianista class in London either.

John Harris's article is one of the few honest assessments of the mood in the regions.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/13/stoke-on-trent-brexit-corbyn-waterloo-byelection

The_Last_Username

gfplux wrote: »

After ALL the comments about Luxembourg, Ireland etc tax havens on this thread we have this....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-chancellor-philip-hammond-welt-am-sonntag-uk-tax-haven-europe-a7527961.html

I assume we all expected this. There might now be a race to the bottom.

You ignore the fact that Ireland and Luxembourg are EU members and thus must stick to EU rules.
Including with corporate tax.

A UK outside the EU will not be bound by such rules.
Vastly different.
Why then "a race to the bottom", since any EU country cannot participate in what you call a "race"; EU rules forbid it.
You cannot have a race with one entrant, can you?

Or is it just a dawning realization that you dislike the possibility of the EU not holding the prime bargaining position that you once thought they held?

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

Actually Tromking, I don't understand you.
I voted stay. Democracy spoke leave, so leave it is.
What is it about that YOU don't understand.
Sorry for calling you out. I assume you voted leave, and Democracy spoke so leave it is.
So Britain is leaving.
OK perhaps the NEW argument can be how quickly or how slowly Britain leaves the EU.
So I am on the side of a VERY QUICK leaving.
Where do you stand on that.

It takes however long it takes.
Your desire for a quick exit is yours, quite why the speed of exit is a 'thing' for you I don`t know.
The UK economy is skipping along nicely apparently at the moment.
Chill.

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So yet again you resort to personal attacks when you're losing the argument.



Sure.

From your article....

"the firm's funding application has been approved but remained unsigned - with EC officials seeking "formal guarantees" from the Polish government it would not be used to fund "relocation" - a practice forbidden under EU law"



The company could not provide assurances to the EU it would not be used to move jobs - so the EU withdrew the funding offer - as that would be illegal.

So when the Germans run trade surpluses for years on breach of EU rules and France runs a budget deficit in excess of EU rules, why does the EU do nothing about it? Why are the EU selective in which rules it chooses to enforce.

Let's be clear that if British MPs hadn't objected to the proposed EU grant to Twinings, it would probably have been passed unchallenged.

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

Here's a novel idea. Why not set up an operation here.

I'm sick to death of middle class liberals on here who don't back our own workforce.

Well, news flash. The people in places like Stoke On Trent have woken up to this fact, and truthfully, they don't give a stuff about the guardianista class in London either.

John Harris's article is one of the few honest assessments of the mood in the regions.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/13/stoke-on-trent-brexit-corbyn-waterloo-byelection

I think that you've hit the nail firmly on the head. Many of those outside of London voted to leave because they're jealous of the wealth in London.

Tromking

The_Last_Username wrote: »

You ignore the fact that Ireland and Luxembourg are EU members and thus must stick to EU rules.
Including with corporate tax.

A UK outside the EU will not be bound by such rules.
Vastly different.
Why then "a race to the bottom", since any EU country cannot participate in what you call a "race"; EU rules forbid it.
You cannot have a race with one entrant, can you?

Or is it just a dawning realization that you dislike the possibility of the EU not holding the prime bargaining position that you once thought they held?

A good point well made.
Aspects of Mr Hammond`s interview with Die Welt are clearly an early manifestation of a return of political sovereignty for British politicians. The future of the UK, no longer includes 'Junckeresque' dictats. We`re leaving that world behind.

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

I think that you've hit the nail firmly on the head. Many of those outside of London voted to leave because they're jealous of the wealth in London.

Could be jealousy. Could be bias. Could be genuine misgivings.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter.

These places in the regions are potential breeding grounds for right wing politics. An inept Labour party could easily lose ground to UKIP.

Cameron was spooked enough to offer an EU referendum he was not prepared to follow through on.

Traditionally, the prevailing outlook in poor areas is that their vote ultimately didn't matter. The EU referendum has changed that dynamic.

It's not just the SNP who can engage in protest politics.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

I think that you've hit the nail firmly on the head. Many of those outside of London voted to leave because they're jealous of the wealth in London.

Alternatively value other things as being far more important than money. Those with money tend to be nomads with no fixed abode as self interest is their top priority. No concern for others.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

If the Sunday papers are anything to go by the speech is being heavily leaked and lots of talk of a hard Brexit.

Who knows what the EU may demand. Best to be fully prepared. Then move forward from there. The one certainty is that many people will wonder one day what all the hot air was about. As life will simply go on.

prosaver

Ballard wrote: »

I think that you've hit the nail firmly on the head. Many of those outside of London voted to leave because they're jealous of the wealth in London.

Its weird when i lived in london all the city boys were 20 to 30 .. next time ur in central london look around..
They must have a " logans run " thing..
And then just get cheesed off and have a break down and move to the countryside... and open a small quirky shop or some little business on the internet.
Then go on a grand designs programme .. :j