If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

Everything on the Remain side assumed the current orthodoxy would remain the same, clearly that is not the case so why still the staunch defeatism regarding Brexit?

Many of their 'experts' have changed their tune regarding Brexit and the mood across the continent seems to be changing to more closely resemble that of the leave vote.

At this rate we might not leave the EU. It might implode before we do, or there might be sweeping change meaning there is no need.

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Everything on the Remain side assumed the current orthodoxy would remain the same, clearly that is not the case so why still the staunch defeatism regarding Brexit?

Many of their 'experts' have changed their tune regarding Brexit and the mood across the continent seems to be changing to more closely resemble that of the leave vote.

At this rate we might not leave the EU. It might implode before we do, or there might be sweeping change meaning there is no need.

I said throughout the debate that we were courageously leading the way as we had spotted the problem first.

The point all along was that the EU was a broken model holding us back from achieving our potential.

Still today Clogg is saying we will make a mess of Brexit that's it's oh so complex, that we'll never manage, what an utter drip

It's essentially very simple indeed

Sapphire

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

At this rate we might not leave the EU. It might implode before we do, or there might be sweeping change meaning there is no need.

Mentally, I've already left. I simply cannot conceive us remaining part of the EU. I do, however, think we should do so soon, otherwise we risk being caught up in things like bail-outs, and also won't be able to stem the inflow of people from inside and outside the EU (via trafficking from the Continent in the latter case), which will have even more of a detrimental affect on services, and impact on our own prosperity as taxpayers. I can foresee growing unrest if this doesn't happen very soon.

I also think we need to institute curbs on benefits and introduce our own laws (perhaps adapting what was agreed with the EU in the past), suitable for what the majority of Brits (not the affluent establishment 'lefties') so clearly want in many respects. This issue should not be used for 'point scoring' and in the hope of winning votes for failing parties by people like cleg and farrow, or to protect personal vested interests. It is too important for that.

Herzlos

So the refugee stream into Germany has dropped massively this year - down from 850,000ish to 150,000ish. Are we doing our usual thing of dealing with an issue long after it's stopped?

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

So the refugee stream into Germany has dropped massively this year - down from 850,000ish to 150,000ish. Are we doing our usual thing of dealing with an issue long after it's stopped?

Do you not understand the difference between refugees and economic migrants?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

So the refugee stream into Germany has dropped massively this year - down from 850,000ish to 150,000ish. Are we doing our usual thing of dealing with an issue long after it's stopped?

We?
What "we"?
And you really should consider the bigger picture rather than this blinkered approach.

Like ........... why the numbers "dropped massively" as you put it?
Turkey who are "holding" vast numbers after a supposed EU deal, now beginning to ask where their visa-free travel and EU entry talks are. Do you really believe that the status quo will continue?

Like .......... the numbers using the mediterranean now at a record high of over 360,000 - placing the majority of the burden on Italy.

Like .......... the use of border fences in so many countries, as in Bulgaria and Hungary which leave so many stranded. Or looking for new points of entry into the EU, like Lithuania as explained here for just one example:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2017/01/unknown-migrant-route-eu-runs-lithuania-170105093545347.html

Do not assume that the so-called "migrant crisis" has just evaporated; it most certainly has not.
All that has REALLY happened is that the EU have, as usual, been "can-kicking" and delayed having to find a REAL long-term solution.

Conrad

Make no mistake 'refugee' numbers are irrelevant, massive numbers of immigrants will pour into our nation as they have for years, don't let the 'liberal' press manipulate us into complacency


A constant 'liberal' narrative has been that there are tens of millions of people on the move 'due to inequality' and that it wont go away.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

I see today that Britain's finance industry have dropped their demands for passporting post-Brexit.
https://www.ft.com/content/7ec41a92-d822-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e

Banks, insurers and asset managers have come to the conclusion there is no realistic chance of maintaining full passporting rights after Brexit that would allow them to sell all their services across the 28-nation bloc from Britain.
TheCityUK, the country' most powerful financial lobby group, has listed 17 points in a two-page document published on Thursday that calls for limited market access for some finance sectors based on a pact in which Britain and the EU would accept each other's rules. This would keep the door open for cross-border trading of stocks and bonds, and sales of certain other products.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks-idUKKBN14W008?il=0

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Also today it seems that Germany is not willing to "up" it's EU budget payments according to German Deputy Finance Minister Jens Spahn.

"If Britain's contribution falls away, the EU budget will shrink," Jens Spahn told Handelsblatt.

According to an internal Finance Ministry report in September, Germany may have to contribute an extra 4.5 billion euros per year in 2019 and 2020 to the EU budget after Britain leaves the union.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-budget-germany-idUKKBN14W0U7?il=0

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I see today that Britain's finance industry have dropped their demands for passporting post-Brexit.
https://www.ft.com/content/7ec41a92-d822-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e


http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks-idUKKBN14W008?il=0

The spokesman for TheCityUK was on CNBC this morning claiming that they are being misreported - they do still want Passporting first and foremost...