If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

are the angry little england supremicists those that are only comfortable dealing with white christian europeans or those comfortable dealing with all races, religions, colours creeds etc

Racists, I suspect, are much more likely than most to be voting to leave.

You might argue people voting to leave are inadvertently acting in a racist manner because they want to be part of a white christian group but it's a diversion.

wotsthat

leveller2911 wrote: »

Now we can argue all day long who's fault it is that we are in this position but the fact is we are where we are and increased immigration without proper planning will be to the detriment of us all but thats no reason to just keep the gates open and continue to allow an extra 1 million people into the UK every 3yrs.If we want/need more people then we should build the infrastructure to accomadate them before we allow them in. Thats called planning.

I think government policy rather than membership (or not) of the EU has more impact on immigration numbers given that most immigration is non-EU anyway.

Of course the idea that infrastructure should be built before it's needed is a shorthand way of saying immigration should be zero because we know that's not how it works.

Tromking

wotsthat wrote: »

Racists, I suspect, are much more likely than most to be voting to leave.

You might argue people voting to leave are inadvertently acting in a racist manner because they want to be part of a white christian group but it's a diversion.

There is more of an argument to say that a vote to leave is one where we could separate the liberal UK from the mainland European fascists of Hungary, Eastern Germany, France, Greece and the rest.
Nowhere does fascism like the EU!

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Racists, I suspect, are much more likely than most to be voting to leave.

You might argue people voting to leave are inadvertently acting in a racist manner because they want to be part of a white christian group but it's a diversion.

One wonders how many of the stay camp would welcome Turkey joining the EU.

In any event, the fences rising all over the EU are likely to lead to many more unpleasant unintended consequences, than the UK choosing to trade equally with all races, religions, creeds whatever the apparent motivations of the two camps.

mayonnaise

leveller2911 wrote: »

The sad thing is Mayo the likes of you and Hamish use this as your default arguement against anyone who has concerns over mass immigration and it does you no favours. This has nothing to do with colour,nationality or race and everything to do with the pressures that mass immigration has had on our services such as schools,NHS and housing etc.

The NHS is crumbling because of ever increasing costs of treatment and drugs, an ageing population and an obesity crisis among our natives.
The lack of affordable housing is mainly due to a severe lack of building throughout the last decade.
Blaming migrants or 'the other' for all ills of society...we've seen it so often before in history, and we never learn our lessons, do we?

leveller2911 wrote: »

If we want/need more people then we should build the infrastructure to accomadate them before we allow them in. Thats called planning.

Definitely, time to get building and investing then.

leveller2911 wrote: »

Its very sad that people like you feel the need to personally abuse others just because they don't agree with you. I'm working class so by no means a "supremacist".

Personally I have broad shoulders, take the internet for what it is but would guarantee you wouldn't say that to my face so you keep on being a brave boy on the net.

I'm just calling a spade a spade. I'm not into political correctness.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

You are hardly going to persuade them into a pro stance with such tactics.

We'll have to run a poll after the big day - 'were you persuaded to change your mind by anything you read on this forum?'

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

One wonders how many of the stay camp would welcome Turkey joining the EU.

I wouldn't really welcome Turkey joining the EU. I think the EU got too big, too fast but I'm not losing any sleep about it and don't think it means I'm a white christian supremacist.

CLAPTON wrote: »

In any event, the fences rising all over the EU are likely to lead to many more unpleasant unintended consequences, than the UK choosing to trade equally with all races, religions, creeds whatever the apparent motivations of the two camps.

No-one is voting to leave because they're really keen to trade equally with all races, religions, creeds and to exercise their rights to straight bananas.

leveller2911

mayonnaise wrote: »

The NHS is crumbling because of ever increasing costs of treatment and drugs, an ageing population and an obesity crisis among our natives.

So those 1million extra people every 3yrs has no effect on the NHS?.

We can at least agree that the NHS is a breaking point so with that in mind and the fact that no Govt in the next 10yrs will increase spending on the NHS (other than by inflation) you see no problem with adding 1million extra patients to the list every 3yrs?.

You are either sticking your head in the sand or you have BUPA ?, in which case you don't give a flying fig about the rest of society who rely on the NHS so which is it?.

The lack of affordable housing is mainly due to a severe lack of building throughout the last decade.

Yes you are right it is but wrong in that its only over the last decade. Did the last Labour Govt,previous Tory lib-dem govt or the current Tory Govt address the shortage of housing? No they didn't so what is the likelyhood of a mass housebuilding programme happening anytime soon ?. In which case why would you compound the problem by having an open door policy on immigration?.

Blaming migrants or 'the other' for all ills of society...we've seen it so often before in history, and we never learn our lessons, do we?

I don't blame the migrants Mayo, I blame the UK govt for allowing unfettered immigration without a coherant plan for the future . We currently reject skilled migrants from outside the EU to try and keep numbers down whilst at the same time allow in 170,000 EU migrants each year the majority of whom are low skilled.

History has shown that when Govt's fail to listen to their electorates the Far Right rises which none of us want to happen.

I would argue that its you pro EU lobby who are insular inward looking cowards who are afraid to look outside Europe.

Definitely, time to get building and investing then.

I agree with the caveat that we allow sizeable numbers of immigration when we have built the infrastructure.

I'm just calling a spade a spade. I'm not into political correctness.

Then I challenge you to trawel through my posts and post a single racists,bigotted,Xenophobic post I've made... Quick tip for you Mayo will be a long time hunting.

Just to add , I'm proud to be European but ashamed to be in the EU.

If you have the capacity to work that out then you will notice theres a huge difference between the two.I'm not into politcial correctness either which I'd be happy to show you if we ever met,fortunately for you that will never happen.;)

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

I wouldn't really welcome Turkey joining the EU. I think the EU got too big, too fast but I'm not losing any sleep about it and don't think it means I'm a white christian supremacist.



No-one is voting to leave because they're really keen to trade equally with all races, religions, creeds and to exercise their rights to straight bananas.

That is correct : they are voting brexit so we have democratic control of our own country and so we can change the policies through a democratic process.

The more intelligent also recognise the mutual value of free trade with all the countries of the world rather than just a few (even though they are economically very important.)

I guess your recognition that the EU has grown too big, is a nice juxtaposition with my own view that the UK population is growing too fast.

BobQ

mayonnaise wrote: »

Does anyone know, how soon after a potential brexit we can apply to rejoin again and how long that process will take? Maybe we need a brexit to learn a lesson, a couple of decades of hardship and then join the largest free trade in the world again....

WE can start negotiating as soon has we have left, of course all the opt outs will have gone and we will be forced to adopt the Euro but hey ho that is not a problem is it.