If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/07/uk-at-risk-of-brexit-trade-catastrophe

Britain risks a “catastrophic” Brexit because the government is so dismissive of the concerns of trade experts, according to one of the figures behind the EU-Canada trade deal which took a decade to negotiate.

I am not very worried as the word "expert" appears in the headline and the report.

Ballard

leveller2911 wrote: »

Of coarse they did Hamish. They didn't think for one minute about their own share value did they.

No they have a more altruistic reason why they wanted the UK to remain in the EU.......

If nothing else Hamish you do make me smile..

Of course they want to stay in the EU in order to keep their business profitable. Wouldn't it be more than a little strange if they didn't want their business to succeed? I don't think that anyone has suggested otherwise.

This particular business employs about 600 people so I'd have thought that it would be a great idea for his business to prosper for him, his employees, his employees families, the taxman, the local community.

Laughably it's the Remainers who have been labelled as being blinkered.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Yet another Eurocrat stating the obvious - that the break-up of the EU is possible.
This time Sigmar Gabriel, the German Vice Chancellor who is expected to run for the SPD against Merker in September's German federal election.

Germany's insistence on austerity in the euro zone has left Europe more divided than ever and a break-up of the European Union is no longer inconceivable

http://fortune.com/2017/01/07/germany-gabriel-eu-breakup/

There are many top EU officials and politicians accepting that the EU is in trouble including Junckers, Tusk, and Schulz.
Increasingly others with greater knowledge of the EU than posters in these forums are in agreement, suggesting that the EU is facing severe difficulties if not crisis, including former IMF senior figures and prominent economists.
These have been posted in a variety of threads in these forums by myself as well as by other posters.

Why then are some posters on here so hell-bent upon following the EU regardless?

Increasingly it would appear that a pro-EU stance is at best illogical, possibly delusional and certainly demonstrates an inability to look at a wider picture when answering the thread title; "If we vote for Brexit what happens?"

(Highlighted word for those who insist upon using the "but we haven't left yet" argument.
The post title clearly says "vote", NOT "leave".)

Those still in doubt about Brexit plans from the UK government will see firmer details soon, according to news today.

Mrs May said the government's priority was to get the "best possible deal" and that she would set out more detail on her aims "in the coming weeks".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38546820

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/07/uk-at-risk-of-brexit-trade-catastrophe

Britain risks a “catastrophic” Brexit because the government is so dismissive of the concerns of trade experts, according to one of the figures behind the EU-Canada trade deal which took a decade to negotiate.

I am not very worried as the word "expert" appears in the headline and the report.

Its going to be interesting to see how mainland Europe plays the free trade thingy. If the UK starts from a standpoint of wanting the status quo without formal membership, I wonder how it`ll go down with European workers with an interest in keeping good trade ties with the UK if the EU negotiators wantonly seek to end the status quo just to protect the EU project and punish the UK. I understand that an exiting state cannot pick and choose or profit unfairly from leaving the EU, but real people with real jobs matter....don`t they?

leveller2911

Ballard wrote: »

Of course they want to stay in the EU in order to keep their business profitable. Wouldn't it be more than a little strange if they didn't want their business to succeed? I don't think that anyone has suggested otherwise.

I agree with you but you need to look at the context of my post in reply to Hamish's post. Clearly he failed to mention how the Remain campaign were also financed by millionaires. Ironic don't you think?.

Context is everything when debating.

This particular business employs about 600 people so I'd have thought that it would be a great idea for his business to prosper for him, his employees, his employees families, the taxman, the local community.

Agreed but he should have no more influence than you or I in a democratic referendum and no one should be able to buy favours. By the way his business that employs 600 people although important is no more so than the other 5.4 million other businesses of which 2.45m are registered for VAT.

The notion of "one man one vote" seems lost on some people.

Ballard

leveller2911 wrote: »

Agreed but he should have no more influence than you or I in a democratic referendum and no one should be able to buy favours. By the way his business that employs 600 people although important is no more so than the other 5.4 million other businesses of which 2.45m are registered for VAT.

The notion of "one man one vote" seems lost on some people.

As I said in my original post, I don't agree that buying influence is correct but it's nothing new and it's going nowhere.

I'm not sure of the point that you're making with regards to the other businesses, to be honest, as I don't think that anyone has suggested that his business is more important. Although he may well have contributed money to the remain campaign there's no indication in the report that he did. What he has said is that he feels unable to support the Tories if we leave the single market.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

if the EU negotiators wantonly seek to end the status quo just to protect the EU project and punish the UK.

What will punishing the UK achieve? What mandate do the negotiaters have to adopt such a stance?

The UK is leaving the Union. That's all.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What will punishing the UK achieve? What mandate do the negotiaters have to adopt such a stance?

The UK is leaving the Union. That's all.

Thats right.
I`m just envisioning the reaction of French cheese makers, Italian prosecco producers, Spanish and German car workers and all the rest when Juncker announces that the EU is rejecting the UK`s status quo stance in favour of WTO rules. That seems a hard sell politically IMO.

Conrad

Mrs May seemed confident and at ease on Sky this morning. We are going to be a soverign nation making our decisions, very little is in fact up for negotiation. The tired old technocratic pompous Remoaner Driplomats are from a bygone age with a profound misunderstanding of Brexit.

michaels

Interesting May is talking a very hard Brexit.

As I believe she is a lukewarm remainer we have to ask why she is not proposing Brexit lite?

I would guess the game theory plan is that a very hard Brexit begins to look both the only option and extremely risky/destructive to the economy and then May would be forced to go to the country for a general election where the official tories rule out hard brexit perhaps in alliance with the non-momentum labour party.

I think we need to workout what the 'players' want to acheive, what they think they can realistically acheive and what strategy they would use to get totheir 'best possible' position.

There is deliberately no mention of trying to satisfy the popular mandate in this analysis.