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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • A former deputy director of the IMF is predicting that the rise of the UK will continue, even post-Brexit and gives his explanations:
    After the public voted for Brexit, for Britain to leave the European Union, Carney, Lagarde, and Gurr!a continued to predict dire outcomes. It is now six months since the Brexit vote, and the economic news is stunningly good. Not only did these warnings not bear out, the economy has performed much better than the expectations of even those, like me, who believed that Britain would be mildly bruised but would not be battered.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/economic-consensus-brexit-succeeding-ashoka-mody-imf-a7509711.html
    And he emphatically swatted aside europhile claims the economy has not felt the impact of Brexit because it has not happened yet, pointing out that companies have already factored in that the country is leaving the EU.
    he blew apart Remain arguments that Britain must stay in the single market at all costs, saying any loss of custom will be “overcome by shifting trade to the more dynamic non-European countries, a shift that has, in any case, been ongoing”.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/751136/Brexit-news-IMF-expert-UK-economy-prosper-outside-European-Union-EU
  • CKhalvashi
    CKhalvashi Posts: 12,134 Forumite
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    edited 7 January 2017 at 6:30PM
    Oddly enough......

    PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE

    This has also been discussed on another thread, and I've just deleted the post it was discussed in so don't bother looking.

    As I have stated before, I don't wish to be intimidated by Brexiteers, and I find the level of research that you (and others) claim to have done extremely intimidating, which in the last week alone has included details of how to contact me directly off the site being posted on this thread.

    I will not discuss my personal information or my business dealings further (as I have already stated several times) and any other personal information that you claim to have found (including the post I've quoted) will be reported appropriately. Your (and others) course of conduct in the last few days is beginning to amount to stalking.

    After the previous incident I feel in fear of my safety and it is not appropriate for either me or you to comment further. I wish to be able to defend my point of view without intimidation from those that disagree with that point of view. You have a duty to respect that wish.

    I suggest any posters concerned delete anything they may have written since being first asked before the forum team sees it and if you persist/the relevant information isn't removed, it may lead to a prosecution under S2A/S4A, Protection from Harassment Act 1997, depending on who says what. This site will not be held responsible for your actions.
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  • cogito
    cogito Posts: 4,898 Forumite
    I sympathise with you but you're finding out the hard way what happens if you put enough information on an internet forum to enable people to identify you. In your shoes, I would ask the MSE team to delete my username and all my posts.
  • CKhalvashi
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    cogito wrote: »
    In your shoes, I would ask the MSE team to delete my username and all my posts.

    That's my last resort, and may still be used. Precautionary measures have been taken behind the scenes.

    The issue (IMO) isn't that the information is there, it's that certain people have used it as an intimidation tactic. This, even on the basic level, is completely unacceptable.
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  • A_Medium_Size_Jock
    A_Medium_Size_Jock Posts: 3,216 Forumite
    edited 7 January 2017 at 7:24PM
    CKhalvashi wrote: »
    PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE

    This has also been discussed on another thread, and I've just deleted the post it was discussed in so don't bother looking.

    As I have stated before, I don't wish to be intimidated by Brexiteers, and I find the level of research that you (and others) claim to have done extremely intimidating, which in the last week alone has included details of how to contact me directly off the site being posted on this thread.

    I will not discuss my personal information or my business dealings further (as I have already stated several times) and any other personal information that you claim to have found (including the post I've quoted) will be reported appropriately. Your (and others) course of conduct in the last few days is beginning to amount to stalking.

    After the previous incident I feel in fear of my safety and it is not appropriate for either me or you to comment further. I wish to be able to defend my point of view without intimidation from those that disagree with that point of view. You have a duty to respect that wish.

    I suggest any posters concerned delete anything they may have written since being first asked before the forum team sees it and if you persist/the relevant information isn't removed, it may lead to a prosecution under S2A/S4A, Protection from Harassment Act 1997, depending on who says what. This site will not be held responsible for your actions.

    Firstly I asked an honest question.
    The first part being: "I wonder why you chose the UK as a base for your enterprises rather than elsewhere in the EU?"
    A relevant question given your recent continued objections to Brexit.

    Secondly IMHO it is not appropriate to post on an open public forum and request that you not be quoted.

    I have to say that reading this, much of the "intimidation" as you call it seems to be from you.
    Suggesting that other posters (are you including me for some reason?) modify their posts on an open public forum like this; using the threat of the forum team; AND THEN suggesting prosecution may follow and citing a CPA link of legal guidance would be difficult to describe as anything other than coercion or intimidation IMHO.

    BTW:
    Please feel free to ask the forum team their opinion of using them in your posts in this manner.
    I would like to see their response.
  • CKhalvashi wrote: »
    I'm a British citizen.

    Nothing else is relevant.

    Woo-hoo, me too.
    But I am also a Scot.

    Relevant because for example "wee" to me means small or little.
    I'm a medium jock, not a "wee" jock.
    As opposed to an Englishman for whom the word is slang for urine, as in "Im going for a wee".

    So the use of idiosyncracy as seen in language posted is entirely appropriate.
  • TrickyTree83
    TrickyTree83 Posts: 3,930 Forumite
    Firstly I asked an honest question.
    The first part being: "I wonder why you chose the UK as a base for your enterprises rather than elsewhere in the EU?"
    A relevant question given your recent continued objections to Brexit.

    Secondly IMHO it is not appropriate to post on an open public forum and request that you not be quoted.

    I have to say that reading this, much of the "intimidation" as you call it seems to be from you.
    Suggesting that other posters (are you including me for some reason?) modify their posts on an open public forum like this; using the threat of the forum team; AND THEN suggesting prosecution may follow and citing a CPA link of legal guidance would be difficult to describe as anything other than coercion or intimidation IMHO.

    BTW:
    Please feel free to ask the forum team their opinion of using them in your posts in this manner.
    I would like to see their response.

    Were the posted details personal, such as name, age, address, email, phone?

    Were they company details? i.e. details already in the public domain.

    If they were company details and the poster divulged enough information for the company to be identified and another poster simply identified which company they work for and posted that I don't think there's any reproach. The fault would lie purely with the person who divulged the information in the first place.
  • Sapphire
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  • davomcdave
    davomcdave Posts: 607 Forumite
    CKhalvashi wrote: »
    That's my last resort, and may still be used. Precautionary measures have been taken behind the scenes.

    The issue (IMO) isn't that the information is there, it's that certain people have used it as an intimidation tactic. This, even on the basic level, is completely unacceptable.

    That's quite shocking. I'd consider reporting it to the police as there is an implied threat there of a 'we know where you live' sort.
  • gfplux
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    edited 8 January 2017 at 9:11AM
    Firstly the charts and wording are very clear: a skills shortage of 40% as in Germany is indeed far worse than a skills shortage of 12% as in the UK.


    Secondly you are overestimating exactly what the World Economic Forum are using as definitions of skills.
    A chart on the linked page you provide explains clearly:
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    So no worms and no cans involved.
    Purely an attempt to show how employees globally lack even the basic skills necessary for effective employment.

    You are perfectly correct. However it is still fascinating that some Governments have not responded to this issue.
    One of the skills shortage I have seen in British newspapers is the shortage of Curry Chefs. I have read that a lot of people hope this shortage will be addressed when Britain has left the EU.
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
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