If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

It's the same document.

Yes, many industrial products will be free of duty but complex and contradictory rules remain about farm products and services.

As I say, it will remain illegal for UK banks to take deposits in Quebec and for UK insurers to offer motor insurance in Saskatchewan.

Any broker wishing to do business in Nunavut with non-Nunavut resident brokers must complete a separate registration.

Any Canadian firm wishing to supply medical or social services in the UK (excluding aged care and convalescent facilities) may be subject to arbitrarily being banned from doing business by the UK Government. Canadian firms can't provide any funeral services in Sweden. Special licences are required for Canadian transport firms to operate in Spain. Canadian companies can't set up security services branches in Spain. Canadian companies need a special licence to provide services to fish farms in Slovakia. Canadian firms can't sell insurance in Portugal.

The list of exemptions to free trade is immense.

it certainly illustrates how dysfunctional the EU is doesn't it?

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

it certainly illustrates how dysfunctional the EU is doesn't it?

The EU isn't the only signatory. The list of exemptions to selling freely in Canada is long and on a province-by-province basis. What a Portuguese company can do in Quebec is different from what it can do on Prince Edward Island.

Much simpler to be part of a single market where goods can be traded across borders without restriction. Hopefully that will one day extend across the world but it extending across almost the entire continent of Europe is a very good start.

mayonnaise

Iain Duncan Smith damns 'bullying and threats' of anti-Brexit campaign
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/04/iain-duncan-smith-damns-bullying-and-threats-of-anti-brexit-campaign

Work and pensions secretary says opponents are destroying their credibility with ‘desperate and unsubstantiated’ claims about consequences of leaving EU

His credibility of course is 100% intact after his desperate and unsubstantiated claim about the UK risking Paris-style attacks if we choose to stay in the Union.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-blasted-scaremongering-7411216

Generali

mayonnaise wrote: »

Iain Duncan Smith damns 'bullying and threats' of anti-Brexit campaign
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/04/iain-duncan-smith-damns-bullying-and-threats-of-anti-brexit-campaign
His credibility of course is 100% intact after his desperate and unsubstantiated claim about the UK risking Paris-style attacks if we choose to stay in the Union.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-blasted-scaremongering-7411216

Funnily enough, the first time I've looked in depth at the Brexit claim (Canada signed a free trade deal so the UK can and as a result retain its economic position with the EU) the Brexit position been shown to be comprehensively wrong. Most worryingly for the UK, the biggest range of exceptions in the Canada/EU trade treaty is in financial services. Without financial services the UK's economy is in a lot of trouble: it's a huge part of both GDP and tax revenues.

Generali

kabayiri

Whether the vote goes to Remain or Leave, I don't think things will be the same.

I was reading the comments page on Le Figaro following a Brexit reasons article and the type of comments from French people were mirroring the sentiment you see here.

The dissatisfaction with the EU runs wider than just the UK it seems.

I suspect the referendum process will bring out all the dirty washing. Even the Cameron negotiations were interesting, particularly quite strong resistance from the newer entrants to the EU.

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

It's the same document. It was agreed in 2014 and passed into law in 2016.

Yes, many industrial products will be free of duty but complex and contradictory rules remain about farm products and services.

As I say, it will remain illegal for UK banks to take deposits in Quebec and for UK insurers to offer motor insurance in Saskatchewan.

Any broker wishing to do business in Nunavut with non-Nunavut resident brokers must complete a separate registration.

Any Canadian firm wishing to supply medical or social services in the UK (excluding aged care and convalescent facilities) may be subject to arbitrarily being banned from doing business by the UK Government. Canadian firms can't provide any funeral services in Sweden. Special licences are required for Canadian transport firms to operate in Spain. Canadian companies can't set up security services branches in Spain. Canadian companies need a special licence to provide services to fish farms in Slovakia. Canadian firms can't sell insurance in Portugal.

The list of exemptions to free trade is immense.

Canadian firms requiring a special license to supply Slovakian fish farms?

Canadian firms can't provide funerals in Sweden?

If those are the best examples of exemptions it just shows how good the rest of the deal is. As the EU document states this deal will remove 99% of customs duties on non agricultural products.

And Canada won't pay the EU a penny in contributions and no free movement for EU citizens.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-bannerman-mep/eu-referendum-brexit_b_9346348.html

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

Much simpler to be part of a single market where goods can be traded across borders without restriction.

...and achieve a tad over 1% growth, unemployment around 10%, some countries on the brink of collapse and with no obvious plans to improve the situation anytime soon.

What a complete shambles.

Tromking

kabayiri wrote: »

Whether the vote goes to Remain or Leave, I don't think things will be the same.

I was reading the comments page on Le Figaro following a Brexit reasons article and the type of comments from French people were mirroring the sentiment you see here.

The dissatisfaction with the EU runs wider than just the UK it seems.

I suspect the referendum process will bring out all the dirty washing. Even the Cameron negotiations were interesting, particularly quite strong resistance from the newer entrants to the EU.

I agree.
Hollande`s "consequences" speech yesterday was primarily aimed at assuaging his own people who apparently are getting royally hacked off at the UK`s best of both worlds situation with the EU.
As an aside, France will end the Dover/Calais arrangement regardless of Brexit anyway.

Sapphire

Tromking wrote: »

As an aside, France will end the Dover/Calais arrangement regardless of Brexit anyway.

They shouldn't have allowed the situation to develop in the first place – and yes, they should end it, by removing/returning all the illegal migrants, many from Africa, who have absolutely no right to be there and to try to break into a country, attacking drivers and disrupting trade, where they are clearly not wanted. The situation is creating tensions between Britain and France at a time when there are serious concerns about the EU already throughout Europe.

Britain also shouldn't have been forced to pay millions of pounds of taxpayers' money to France, when it was France who allowed the illegal migrants into its country.

As for this:

Hollande`s "consequences" speech yesterday was primarily aimed at assuaging his own people who apparently are getting royally hacked off at the UK`s best of both worlds situation with the EU.

They haven't minded taking the massive amounts of taxpayers' money Britain has paid into the EU, though.