If we vote for Brexit what happens

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

...and achieve a tad over 1% growth, unemployment around 10%, some countries on the brink of collapse and with no obvious plans to improve the situation anytime soon.

What a complete shambles.

The UK doesn't suffer from those afflictions.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

...It's complex stuff and not remotely like dealing with a single market. Brie has a tariff of 245.5% whereas Gouda has a tariff of 3.32c/kg. Chrysanthemums have a tariff of 8% but roses have a tariff of 10.5% and other flowers 12.5%.

Oh and you can't sell motor insurance in Saskatchewan or take deposits (like a bank does) in Quebec under the rules of which there are 1598 pages in the abbreviated version.

See, I told you that trade agreements involve rather 'mundane issues'. And there is also a quota for industrial cheese. I did not make that up.

That's the kind of thing that matters in trade agrements. Norway's price for letting Croatia into the EEA was a bigger quota for picked herrings or something similar.

CLAPTON wrote: »

it certainly illustrates how dysfunctional the EU is doesn't it?

No, it illustrates how difficult and time consuming it is to negotiate a trade agreement with anyone.

Sapphire

Good article from the Independent re. the subject of the EU/Brexit:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/Leading_business_story/why-boris-johnson-is-right-about-europe-a6909811.html

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

See, I told you that trade agreements involve rather 'mundane issues'. And there is also a quota for industrial cheese. I did not make that up.

That's the kind of thing that matters in trade agrements. Norway's price for letting Croatia into the EEA was a bigger quota for picked herrings or something similar.



No, it illustrates how difficult and time consuming it is to negotiate a trade agreement with anyone.

I wonder which tariff is higher, the per kg or the per value? I guess the per value encourages the export of crap cheese which is a shame for Canadians.

I had a squizz through the rules and I agree that there is a separate quota for industrial cheese.

michaels

So you are strongly in favour of UK consumers paying extra for food because of EU restrictions. Don't you think that it is highly regressive?

It is interesting that we both support free markets, democracy and small l liberalism and yet I see the EU as being a blocker to those three principles but you see it as an empowerer.

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

The UK doesn't suffer from those afflictions.

Some would argue the UK is doing well despite the EU, not because of it.

Think what we could do if we were free to make trade deals with the rest of the world. If we continue to rely on a dysfunctional trading block who are slowly going bust the future doesn't look bright.

Brock_and_Roll

I know our politics have not stooped to US levels (yet), but I would have thought that the difficulties & complexities in negotiating trade agreements is well down the joe public's prority list compared with Higher cost of overseas holidays (stay), increased wages (leave), jobs (stay) immigrants (leave) etc etc

antrobus

Rinoa wrote: »

..Think what we could do if we were free to make trade deals with the rest of the world. If we continue to rely on a dysfunctional trading block who are slowly going bust the future doesn't look bright.

But the EU is part of the rest of the world. In fact it's a pretty big part of the rest of the world. If trying to establish a single market is "dysfunctional" what kind of foxin agreements do you actually evisage signing up to?

Brock_and_Roll wrote: »

I know our politics have not stooped to US levels (yet),...

Give it time. GIve it time.

Brock_and_Roll wrote: »

... but I would have thought that the difficulties & complexities in negotiating trade agreements is well down the joe public's prority list compared with Higher cost of overseas holidays (stay), increased wages (leave), jobs (stay) immigrants (leave) etc etc

I imagine that's very true. I doubt that the persons on the Clapham ommibus care two hoots about quotas for industrial cheese. Nevertheless, there are enough people about to whom that sort of thing matters a lot.

Rinoa

antrobus wrote: »

But the EU is part of the rest of the world. In fact it's a pretty big part of the rest of the world. If trying to establish a single market is "dysfunctional" what kind of foxin agreements do you actually evisage signing up to?

One that doesn't require an exclusivity deal to join?

One where we don't have to give free access and welfare benefits to all of their citizens?

One where we aren't required to pay a fee of £10Bn annually?

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

which area is that then?

Ealing - central Ealing. I'd say that are actually more families here than when I first came to London 30+ years ago. Loft conversions, back extensions and basements have all meant that less people move to the home counties when they have kids.