If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't want cheap houses in London : I simply want people under 40 there, to be able to live in a family sized property rather than live in a flat share.

Well apparently the young are pro the EU - maybe they value the fact that they can live in other European Countries??? - a right that you want to take away from them.

mayonnaise

French minister: Brexit would threaten Calais border arrangement
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/03/david-cameron-calais-refugee-crisis-francois-holland

France’s economy minister, Emmanuel Macron, told the Financial Times that the Le Touquet agreement – a bilateral relationship between the UK and France – would be threatened by a British withdrawal from the EU.

And:

Xavier Bertrand, the recently re-elected president of the Nord-Pas-de-Calais-Picardie region, has repeatedly said the Le Touquet agreement would be torn up if Britain left the EU. He said: “If Britain leaves Europe, right away the border will leave Calais and go to Dover. We will not continue to guard the border for Britain if it’s no longer in the European Union.”

Boris Johnson replies:

Donnez-moi un break

Isn't he funny.

He said the Calais arrangement was agreed by an international treaty and "has nothing to do with the EU".

You're right Boris, the agreement has nothing to do the EU. Doesn't mean the French can't abandon it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35718838

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

I'm confident that my kids are going to have a great future here in London or wherever they want.

As a poster said to you previously - if the English born population went through a baby boom would you want to restrict people to a one baby policy? If the answer is no and you don't have a problem with unrestricted English population growth then you really need to have a good look at yourself....

....Seriously if your kids are struggling to have a good life in London they should move out...England has tons of great cities...

....or maybe they should consider other parts of the EU - we have unfettered access to so many other great cities....

If the native population of the UK had a baby boom then that is a fact to be lived with.
To deliberately add extra stress by artificially importing unlimited numbers is madness.

If you think it logical, to made a difficult situation deliberately worse, then you need to have a good look at yourself.

As I prefer to discuss the important substantial issues, I will resist responding to your patronising personal comments which do you no credit.

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't want cheap houses in London : I simply want people under 40 there, to be able to live in a family sized property rather than live in a flat share.

Chances are your kids won't get their cheap house even if we get a Brexit.

According to a Knight Frank study in 2013, 49 per cent of all prime central London buyers were non-British citizens, while 28 per cent did not even live in the UK: their purchases were for occasional use or investment. But it’s unclear what role, if any, the EU has played in attracting this money to London: only 16.5 per cent of buyers were from other EU countries.

Furthermore, for example, there are 400,000 French people living and working in Britain, according to the French Consulate. With Brexit, they could lose the automatic right to work and live here. But that assumes a post-Brexit UK government would want to cleanse the country of EU citizens. Why, if they are contributing to the economy? It’s far more likely that EU nationals earning over a certain amount will find it no harder to live here than at present; only the low-paid or unemployed would find it so — and they’re not likely to be buying London property anyway.

As for non-EU nationals, most important to the London prime market at present are those from Russia (9 per cent) and the Middle East (7.5 per cent). If you’re an oligarch looking for a bolthole or a sheikh looking for a summer palace — and possibly a place of sumptuous exile — why should Brexit make a difference? What attracts these international buyers to London are political and economic stability, an honest legal system, favourable rules for non-doms and a vibrant cultural life. None of that is threatened by Brexit.


London’s property market isn’t just about the super-wealthy. A lot of drab little flats are bought by overseas investors attracted by London’s history of rising property prices. Some also buy with a view to sending their children to school or university here. Again, why should Brexit affect them?

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

Well apparently the young are pro the EU - maybe they value the fact that they can live in other European Countries??? - a right that you want to take away from them.

The young can vote as they see fit.

If they choose to be turkeys voting for christmas then that is their free choice: at least in the UK they get to have a vote on important matters unlike in the EU.

And I do not wish to take Uk peoples' right to live elsewhere : that will be a decision of the people of which ever country they wish to live : I know democracy is a vile idea isn't it?

angrypirate

mayonnaise wrote: »

French minister: Brexit would threaten Calais border arrangement
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/03/david-cameron-calais-refugee-crisis-francois-holland

And:


Boris Johnson replies:

Isn't he funny.

You're right Boris, the agreement has nothing to do the EU. Doesn't mean the French can't abandon it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35718838

Basically what that idiot Holland is suggesting is that in order to spite the British for leaving the EU, he'll allow immigrants to travel on the Eurostar to the UK.

All illegal immigrants would subsequently be turned around at the UK border and deported back to France with Eurostar having to pay the cost (just like airlines do). Eurostar would also have to pay the UK government a fine for each illegal immigrant. Who owns Eurostar? SNCF. Who owns SNCF? Well, they would be state owned. So cash flows from the French government to the British government and the immigrants get a little train ride round the block and end up back in Calais.

mayonnaise

angrypirate wrote: »

Basically what that idiot Holland is suggesting is that in order to spite the British for leaving the EU, he'll allow immigrants to travel on the Eurostar to the UK.

All illegal immigrants would subsequently be turned around at the UK border and deported back to France with Eurostar having to pay the cost (just like airlines do). Eurostar would also have to pay the UK government a fine for each illegal immigrant. Who owns Eurostar? SNCF. Who owns SNCF? Well, they would be state owned. So cash flows from the French government to the British government and the immigrants get a little train ride round the block and end up back in Calais.

Refugees and illegals don't tend to come over by Eurostar.
They (try to) come by clinging to trucks and vans going through Eurotunnel and the Ferry Operators, all of them private concerns.
The first thing they will do when setting foot on British soil is shout 'asylum'. Or are you suggesting we bail out of the UN and its refugee conventions also?
Your idea of returning them straight away is a Angry Little England Supremacist's fantasy and nothing more.

I'd stock up on some tents if I was Kent County Council as preparation for a brexit.

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't want cheap houses in London : I simply want people under 40 there, to be able to live in a family sized property rather than live in a flat share.

By the way there are plenty of under 40s who can afford to live in a house in London - they live in my own area where all the properties are houses with gardens (and we have good local schools).

The idea that all families living in London are living in flats is BS.

In fact there are single people living in my street - they have a whole house to themselves!!

angrypirate

mayonnaise wrote: »

Refugees and illegals don't tend to come over by Eurostar.
They (try to) come by clinging to trucks and vans going through Eurotunnel and the Ferry Operators, all of them private concerns.
The first thing they will do when setting foot on British soil is shout 'asylum'. Or are you suggesting we bail out of the UN and its refugee conventions also?
Your idea of returning them straight away is a Angry Little England Supremacist's fantasy and nothing more.

I'd stock up on some tents if I was Kent County Council as preparation for a brexit.

What are you talking about? Holland is saying he is going to stop UK border agency checking passports on French soil - that is what the Sangette Protocol was all about. They arent going to take the fences down next to the tunnel entrance / ferry ports

Robisere

If this turns out as prophesied:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/22/africa/banana-panama-disease/

- then it may well be a case of -

♫ ♫ YES - we have no bananas, we have no bananas today! ♫ ♫