If we vote for Brexit what happens

Masomnia

Ballard wrote: »

But it might well be too complicated for some Brexiteers to understand. That's the point of the article that you appear to be missing.

Some Brexiteers believe that it goes further than that. A significant number feel that having the likes of EDF controlling our utilities is just too much and foreign takeovers should/will cease.

I thought Kabs summed it up quite nicely. Not sure what the point was exactly. What is 'too complicated for Brexiteers to understand' and where is the evidence for that?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

I agree that the costs of regulation are in the implementation (never said otherwise). My point is just that to replace one EU regulation with a UK one will cost money not save it. Of course we can just dispense with regulations and accept any old rubbish we find on the international banana market etc. Or we could just carry on using EU regulations!:)

99.9999% of the cost of regulations is operational
and now we get to choose to stop some of the regulations and save a fortune

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Which laws is it exactly that you want to take back control of and how will that benefit you?

We want to make our own laws, a very curios notion for some. Having laws inflicted by far away bureaucrats that are in no meaningful way accountable to me, where I can unlikely even name them or know how to vote them out, is at complete odds with efficient meaningful democracy

A standard old line of remainer argument is to imply there aren't all that many laws made by the EU, OK so I will play along and agree, in which case we won't be missing anything given we make most of our laws according to EU defenders

Ballard

Masomnia wrote: »

I thought Kabs summed it up quite nicely. Not sure what the point was exactly. What is 'too complicated for Brexiteers to understand' and where is the evidence for that?

It is of the opinion of the journalist that a sizeable number of Brexiteers consider taking back control to include things such as utility ownership. This is simply an opinion as stated in the article based on his observations.

It is a fact that I doubt that anyone will disagree with that taking back control of our laws is the main stated aim of Brexiteers. A question does remain on whether this will defiiitely happen, though. When we leave the EU we (or more specifically our MPs) may feel that it's in the country's best interests to retain a link to the single market and a requirement may be that we retain many of the EU laws. The chance of this happening may be slight but it doesn't appear to be understood by any of the Brexiteers that I know.

A VERY small number of Brexiteers feel that it's time for foreigners to leave the UK.

Many Brexiteers don't feel that the potential financial services issues are worth worrying about despite this being our biggest industry.

Many many Brexiteers feel that The Daily Mail & Daily Express are good newspapers run by people who don't have an agenda.

CLAPTON

Ballard wrote: »

Many many Brexiteers feel that The Daily Mail & Daily Express are good newspapers run by people who don't have an agenda.

many people think the Guardian is a good newspaper run by people who don't have an agenda (even if it is owned in a tax dodging tax haven)

Conrad

BobQ wrote: »

I agree that the costs of regulation are in the implementation (never said otherwise). My point is just that to replace one EU regulation with a UK one will cost money not save it. Of course we can just dispense with regulations and accept any old rubbish we find on the international banana market etc. Or we could just carry on using EU regulations!:)

We will absorb all EU law into our own and then alter any we think need it. Our emphasis will still ensure health n safety and all the rest but with an eye to not being overly burdensome for every size of business

To give an example we have no shortage of molluscs but are prevented from making the most of our harvest by inefficient innapropriate EU law

Conrad

Ballard wrote: »

It is of the opinion of the journalist that a sizeable number of Brexiteers consider taking back control to include things such as utility ownership. This is simply an opinion as stated in the article based on his observations.

It is a fact that I doubt that anyone will disagree with that taking back control of our laws is the main stated aim of Brexiteers. A question does remain on whether this will defiiitely happen, though. When we leave the EU we (or more specifically our MPs) may feel that it's in the country's best interests to retain a link to the single market and a requirement may be that we retain many of the EU laws. The chance of this happening may be slight but it doesn't appear to be understood by any of the Brexiteers that I know.

A VERY small number of Brexiteers feel that it's time for foreigners to leave the UK.

Many Brexiteers don't feel that the potential financial services issues are worth worrying about despite this being our biggest industry.

Many many Brexiteers feel that The Daily Mail & Daily Express are good newspapers run by people who don't have an agenda.

We will no more make quirky post Brexit rules to suit fruit loops that want all foreigners to leave, than we will make rules to make lefties content by distributing companies to every worker.

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

It is of the opinion of the journalist that a sizeable number of Brexiteers consider taking back control to include things such as utility ownership. This is simply an opinion as stated in the article based on his observations.
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I was of the opinion that slavish adherence to the ideology of privatization was not always going to deliver results. It comes down to individual implementations.

But...crucially, I held this belief well before the EU expansion of the noughties.

So what makes this journo right to conflate the 2 topics?

Anyone can throw the word 'sizeable' around. A sizeable number of Remainers wear anoraks too much. Just my opinion you understand -- see, means nothing.

kabayiri

BobQ wrote: »

I think the general idea is to stop immigration from the EU and have more from other parts of the world....
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We already export work to all corners of the globe, and have been doing so in large measure for decades.

So what's the difference?

Are you saying it's okay to send work out to tens of thousands of Indian IT workers in Mombai, but not to bring them here?

Why should I have to pay European prices for labour which you can get cheaper elsewhere? Is that not what this much vaunted globalization is all about?

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

We will absorb all EU law into our own and then alter any we think need it. Our emphasis will still ensure health n safety and all the rest but with an eye to not being overly burdensome for every size of business

To give an example we have no shortage of molluscs but are prevented from making the most of our harvest by inefficient innapropriate EU law

Yeah, Britain has no shortage of molluscs alright...