If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

A constant Remainer drum beat just after the vote was to say we'd be sorry by autumn, which was then revised to Xmas. Many Remainers assured me (all over the net and radio) we'd have recession by now, people hurting which would make them re-consider their vote

A yes, the "economy will go down the swanny once Brexit starts to happen", which hasn't happened yet.

Wait until the deal has been done before gloating about the effects of it, eh?

Moby

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Just be aware that the link is one person's opinion.
It is in the "Opinion" section of the publication.
By one economist; Aditya Chakrabortty of The Guardian.
The Aditya Chakrabortty who was awarded a prize for "economic illiteracy" by the respected Adam Smith Institute, which is one of the world's leading think tanks.
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty

'Nuff said, really.
You may as well carry on listening to Mayo, Moby and Ballard for a balanced POV.
Not.

OK.....but the Adam Smith institute is hardly balanced! It's a free market neo liberal saturated think tank. Besides I'm always suspicious of 'economists'. You get a hundred of them and you'll get a hundred views.

Moby

Rinoa wrote: »

Another remainer prediction bites the dust.

Feel the quality though ....massaged figures hiding pretty crap jobs!

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

Feel the quality though ....massaged figures hiding pretty crap jobs!

How can they be "massaged" figures "hiding" jobs which actually exist that you summarily judge to be "pretty crap"?

Whether or not the jobs are crap, the number of jobs is the number of jobs is it not?

Is this another example of liberal-chaos-think? Where statistics mean what you want them to mean depending on how you feel about them rather than what they actually are?

Herzlos

Because someone in a 0-hours job, averaging 4 hours a week and relying on a foodbank still doesn't count as unemployed.

I don't think Jobseekers does either. It's pretty easy to reduce unemployment when you can shift lots of people into a different category. There's still a huge issue with unemployment in some groups.

Average pay increase of 2.6% is interesting though, it's not coming from the public sector (beyond MPs), and I've not seen it coming from retail/service. City of London pay rises / bonuses skewing things?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

It'll increase the sales of assets to foreigners, like our energy infrastructure.

It'll increase our sales of goods/services to foreigners, while we can still afford to produce them at that price.

It'll increase our sales of goods/services to locals.

It'll decrease our sales from foreigners.

the purchase of assets is generally based on long term considerations : will they produce a good level of profits in the future?
obviously it depends upon the particular asset but such purchases are a vote of confidence in the future of the UK based businesses.
However a fall in the value of the pound is generally considered as a vote of concern about the future of the Uk.

so why do we have both a loss of confidence in the UK and a vote of confidence: it will be interesting to see some figures for the year in due course.


I believe our energy infrastructure is already largely foreign owned and the recent activity is largely a change in the foreign owners.

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Because someone in a 0-hours job, averaging 4 hours a week and relying on a foodbank still doesn't count as unemployed.

I don't think Jobseekers does either. It's pretty easy to reduce unemployment when you can shift lots of people into a different category. There's still a huge issue with unemployment in some groups.

Average pay increase of 2.6% is interesting though, it's not coming from the public sector (beyond MPs), and I've not seen it coming from retail/service. City of London pay rises / bonuses skewing things?

Then lets see the breakdown, the evidence, that confirms the assertion that these are all 0 hour contract jobs in which people are earning no money and relying on food banks before we claim that the figures are because of these jobs?

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Sky will cost Murdoch $2.5bn less to takeover thanks to Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/12/sky-rupert-murdoch-brexit-vote-21st-century-fox-eu-referendum

This is the same Rupert Murdoch who said he wanted the UK to leave the EU because European regulation makes it too difficult for him to form a media monopoly on mainland Europe.

Or maybe Europeans have the ability to express thought which is independent of whatever their equivalent of The Sun tells them to think. Unlike the British.

Either way:

Great job Brexiteers.

Great. Job.

Problem with this country has always been a preponderance of little englander deference to those in power that's why media monopolies flourish here. Rags like the Sun and Mail are rightl despised in France for their provincial backwardness and bigotry.....but are the most widely read sources of news here.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Feel the quality though ....massaged figures hiding pretty crap jobs!

given you belief that the jobs are 'crap' (who should be doing those, then foreigners?) and the figures are fiddled and we really have much higher levels of unemplyment, why then do we need another 600,000 immigrants this year (and next and next ...)

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Problem with this country has always been a preponderance of little englander deference to those in power that's why media monopolies flourish here. Rags like the Sun and Mail are rightl despised in France for their provincial backwardness and bigotry.....but are the most widely read sources of news here.

you really despise the ordinary people of this country : just like the posh tory rich elitest boomers.