If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

I'm pretty bored with this thread as the same arguments keep getting repeated by both sides but this article expresses my thoughts pretty darned well so I thought that I'd post it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/13/brexit-leave-voters-theresa-may-promise?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Ahh, an article which is the very definition of journalistic incontinence.

If you have a bad thing on one side of an equation, and you put a bad thing on the other side, it doesn't mean the equation balances!

What has Australian ownership of UK infrastructure got to do with a vote on the EU membership?

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

Ahh, an article which is the very definition of journalistic incontinence.

If you have a bad thing on one side of an equation, and you put a bad thing on the other side, it doesn't mean the equation balances!

What has Australian ownership of UK infrastructure got to do with a vote on the EU membership?

it seems pretty clear to me that it's about 'taking back control'. Supposedly we will soon take back control of our country. How can we do that if we continue to sell large parts of it to Johnny Foreigner? Surely that's the exact opposite of taking back control. Why isn't the government immediately ceasing any such deals?

The_Last_Username

gfplux wrote: »

Thank you for the link

Just be aware that the link is one person's opinion.
It is in the "Opinion" section of the publication.
By one economist; Aditya Chakrabortty of The Guardian.
The Aditya Chakrabortty who was awarded a prize for "economic illiteracy" by the respected Adam Smith Institute, which is one of the world's leading think tanks.
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty

'Nuff said, really.
You may as well carry on listening to Mayo, Moby and Ballard for a balanced POV.
Not.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

I'm pretty bored with this thread as the same arguments keep getting repeated by both sides but this article expresses my thoughts pretty darned well so I thought that I'd post it.

Agree with your sentiments. Until the parties concerned sit down and start negotiating in earnest. Then it's pure speculation as to what any outcome may be.

As for the article. Yet another attach everything a writer can think of to Brexit. Unfortunately the real world isn't easy to change. Takes years of pulling levers to find solutions to complex issues. Easy to express impatience. Better to actually contribute in a productive manner. As it's the British people that will ultimately decide the future success by the total effort of their combined individual actions. Expecting the Nanny state to mollycuddle people is a sad legacy of Mr Brown's era. So so different to other cultures.

Ballard

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Just be aware that the link is one person's opinion.
It is in the "Opinion" section of the publication.
By one economist; Aditya Chakrabortty of The Guardian.
The Aditya Chakrabortty who was awarded a prize for "economic illiteracy" by the respected Adam Smith Institute, which is one of the world's leading think tanks.
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/todays-prize-for-economic-illiteracy-goes-to-aditya-chakrabortty

'Nuff said, really.
You may as well carry on listening to Mayo, Moby and Ballard for a balanced POV.
Not.

Firstly I said in my post that it was my opionion but that perhaps I would be wrong. I'm not stupid enough to claim that I am always right. Only a complete moron would suggest that. Plenty of Brexiteers constantly claim that they are completely 100% correct. 'Nuff said.

Secondly, if you believe that people who voted to leave the EU would be happy to cede control of our utilities overseas then I am rather surprised.

The_Last_Username

Ballard wrote: »

Secondly, if you believe that people who voted to leave the EU would be happy to cede control of our utilities overseas then I am rather surprised.

Are you really that ill-informed?
Now (sadly) I understand the supposed logic of your posts.

Look at who owns so many of our utilities now.
The so-called Big Six power firms by size:
#2 EDF (French)
#3 NPower (German)
#4 EOn (German)
#5 Scottish Power (Spain)

Water?
Malasian, Canadian, Hong Kong etc. etc. ......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_water_companies

Should I go on?

CLAPTON

Ballard wrote: »

Firstly I said in my post that it was my opionion but that perhaps I would be wrong. I'm not stupid enough to claim that I am always right. Only a complete moron would suggest that. Plenty of Brexiteers constantly claim that they are completely 100% correct. 'Nuff said.

Secondly, if you believe that people who voted to leave the EU would be happy to cede control of our utilities overseas then I am rather surprised.

well, it's good to see a 'remainer' telling us what brexiters should think : I guess that make it easier for him to debate with himslef and even win.

maybe it would be better for him to say whether he wants an ever increasing amount of UK infrastructure/businesses and dividends to be owned overseas and leave the brexiter to say what they think

Ballard

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Are you really that ill-informed?
Now (sadly) I understand the supposed logic of your posts.

Look at who owns so many of our utilities now.
The so-called Big Six power firms by size:
#2 EDF (French)
#3 NPower (German)
#4 EOn (German)
#5 Scottish Power (Spain)

Water?
Malasian, Canadian, Hong Kong etc. etc. ......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_water_companies

Should I go on?

Surely that's the point of the article. One of the reasons given for people voting to leave the EU was to stop overseas companies taking over our utilities because they're fed up with it. For people to be fed up with it it has to have happened to a fairly large extent.

Not only am I reasonably well informed but I can actually read an article and understand it.

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

it seems pretty clear to me that it's about 'taking back control'. Supposedly we will soon take back control of our country. How can we do that if we continue to sell large parts of it to Johnny Foreigner? Surely that's the exact opposite of taking back control. Why isn't the government immediately ceasing any such deals?

Oh, I can agree that 'taking back control' is a lame a$$ phrase in response to some lame a$$ phrases from Team Remain.

All I could take from the referendum were a few simple points.

a. I voted in self interest. It's up to people in Scotland to vote for what they want, and people in London likewise.

b. It was *all* about the EU. I am perfectly entitled to look at the recent history of the EU; it's current ability to deal with some major problems; and it's future direction.

I'm not optimistic that it can even survive in it's current form. Damage limitation...get out before it goes Pete Tong.

Ballard

Taking back control was the main phrase used and continues to be used. A poster on here even said that we have are all taking back control rather than the MPs. I assume that they are expecting scores of referendums each year being as we, the general public, are taking back control.