If we vote for Brexit what happens

angrypirate

antrobus wrote: »

But if we end up back in the EEA we will still have no 'control of our borders', and we will still be subject to all those EU regulations on bendy bannanas and suchlike to which we are all supposed to object, and we still have to cough up money to the social fund erc.

What would be the foxin point?

We would have control of our own laws and we'd be able to set up our own trade agreements with the rest of the world. Yeah, we would be subject to EU regulation on exports to the EU, but not to exports to the rest of the world.

The issue of the EU is so much more than immigration. But if you want to make it about immigration, we could stop paying benefits to all immigrants from the EU straight away.

angrypirate

setmefree2 wrote: »

If we leave and the pound collapses - interests rates will go up - which means house prices will fall.

Just like the house price crash happened when we didnt join the Euro?
Thank you. Whilst you're at it can give me the next set of lottery numbers?

setmefree2

michaels wrote: »

I beleive that obesity is inversely correlated with income and the free movement of labour has held down incomes of the unskilled. Thus one factor in the obesity epidemic could be argued to be Romainan Immigrants....

Of course, sorry - immigrants are to blame for British obesity - silly me.

I'm fat because of immigrants!!! You couldn't make it up.

Do you write Daily Express headlines by any chance?

setmefree2

angrypirate wrote: »

Just like the house price crash happened when we didnt join the Euro?

Errrr trying to join the Euro did cause a UK house price crash - one of the worst in my life time.

angrypirate

setmefree2 wrote: »

Errrr trying to join the Euro did cause a UK house price crash - one of the worst in my life time.

Er, the great house price crash of winter 98/99? I must have missed that one

mayonnaise

setmefree2 wrote: »

Of course, sorry - immigrants are to blame for British obesity - silly me.

I'm fat because of immigrants!!! You couldn't make it up.

Do you write Daily Express headlines by any chance?

I think it was a joke.
But you can't be sure anymore these days.

DavidJonas

michaels wrote: »

It is part of the politics of fear. Let's try and conflate not having a tariff agreement with no trade....

I didn't. Project Fear indeed.

If I am on a bus and the other passengers are intent on having it driven off a cliff, that may well make me a little afraid. It doesn't make them wise. Or brave. Or positive.

As my former employer said when worsening everybodys working conditions, people should "embrace change". Whether it was a change for the worse didn't seem to come into it.

There are no obvious economic advantages to being out of the single market. There are plenty of obvious economic disadvantages.

All the advantages are political, if you like that kind of thing. If you don't want Poles, Germans, Spaniards etc living and working in Britain then Brexit probably is the only way to stop that.

Of course it means denying your own children/grandchildren etc the opportunity to live, work and potentially retire abroad, even if you don't want to do so.

Control cuts both ways and it will cut harder into our freedom of movement than anybody elses after all. An EU citizen will still be able to live and work in 26 European countries. For British students and workers that will presumably decline from 27 to none at all.

The press has a lot to say about Brexit.

This would be the Sun - owned and essentially ghost edited by an Australian American whose company has 152 subsidiaries in tax havens.

The Times. Ditto.

Or the Daily Mail - owned and heavily influenced by its owner, a non-dom who inherited the paper via an offshore trust and a Bermudan tax dodge to avoid paying taxes in Britain.

Or the Telegraph - owned and ghost edited by the Barclay Brothers who not only use offshore tax havens to not pay British tax, but who live in one too. In a castle in fact. And very nice it is too.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f5a7WUdpfx4/SushB6cXaAI/AAAAAAAAATk/aWV5m4rm0YY/s640/brecqhou+castle.jpg

Or the Spectator. Ditto.

Or the Daily Express. Whose owner is a major contributor to the UKIP. Surely the Express doesn't doge taxes? It's owner it is a prolific contributor to charity. Ah, well, of course it does. It is owned by a Guernsey trust.

Ditto the Daily Star.

Here is our glorious free press. Our foreign owned, tax dodging, castle owning, ukip supporting defenders of democracy.

angrypirate

DavidJonas wrote: »

I didn't. Project Fear indeed.

If I am on a bus and the other passengers are intent on having it driven off a cliff, that may well make me a little afraid. It doesn't make them wise. Or brave. Or positive.

As my former employer said when worsening everybodys working conditions, people should "embrace change". Whether it was a change for the worse didn't seem to come into it.

There are no obvious economic advantages to being out of the single market. There are plenty of obvious economic disadvantages.

All the advantages are political, if you like that kind of thing. If you don't want Poles, Germans, Spaniards etc living and working in Britain then Brexit probably is the only way to stop that.

Of course it means denying your own children/grandchildren etc the opportunity to live, work and potentially retire abroad, even if you don't want to do so.

Control cuts both ways and it will cut harder into our freedom of movement than anybody elses after all. An EU citizen will still be able to live and work in 26 European countries. For British students and workers that will presumably decline from 27 to none at all.

The press has a lot to say about Brexit.

This would be the Sun - owned and essentially ghost edited by an Australian American whose company has 152 subsidiaries in tax havens.

The Times. Ditto.

Or the Daily Mail - owned and heavily influenced by its owner, a non-dom who inherited the paper via an offshore trust and a Bermudan tax dodge to avoid paying taxes in Britain.

Or the Telegraph - owned and ghost edited by the Barclay Brothers who not only use offshore tax havens to not pay British tax, but who live in one too. In a castle in fact. And very nice it is too.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f5a7WUdpfx4/SushB6cXaAI/AAAAAAAAATk/aWV5m4rm0YY/s640/brecqhou+castle.jpg

Or the Spectator. Ditto.

Or the Daily Express. Whose owner is a major contributor to the UKIP. Surely the Express doesn't doge taxes? It's owner it is a prolific contributor to charity. Ah, well, of course it does. It is owned by a Guernsey trust.

Ditto the Daily Star.

Here is our glorious free press. Our foreign owned, tax dodging, castle owning, ukip supporting defenders of democracy.

And the BBC? No, they only receive funding from the EU. Completely honest and impartial.

DavidJonas

michaels wrote: »

Are you suggesting that outside the EU the 99% of UK cnsumers wo are not farmers or whisky makers could see their cost of dairy products fall by 30%? Meanwhile no doubt the savings on our net contributions to the Common Agricultural Policy could easily compensate the farmers and distillers

There are lots of good arguements for the EU membership - higher food prices for everyone is not one of them

I don't think you understand. Tariffs are a tax. Just like a customs duty. The tariffs apply to countries exporting products to the EU. If we leave the EU, notwithstanding a trade deal that circumvents them, they will apply to UK exporters.

A dairy farmer wishing to sell a pint of milk for, let us say, £1 a gallon, currently gets £1 for each gallon. From outside the EU he would have to give 30% of that to the EU. Which leaves him with 70p. Quite a drop.

Taxes increase prices.

Our EU contributions (net of the cash that gets dolloped onto Wales, Northern Ireland etc) are trivial compared to the benefits of the single market.

setmefree2

angrypirate wrote: »

Er, the great house price crash of winter 98/99? I must have missed that one

No 1992....