If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Can't you have dual citizenship?
A UK passport to keep the Angry Little England Supremacists at bay, and a EU one for life in the largest free trade area in the world?

Oh it`s the English again is it?
Why is it within the constituent nations of the UK the least prone people to parochial and nationalist attitudes gets such a bum rap?

Generali

Tromking wrote: »

Oh it`s the English again is it?
Why is it within the constituent nations of the UK the least prone people to parochial and nationalist attitudes gets such a bum rap?

LOL. You might want to have a word with PC and the SNP before saying that again!

For most people in the world, English and British are synonyms. If you tell a Frenchman you're Welsh for example you'll likely get a blank look unless they're a big rugby fan.

chewmylegoff

Yolina wrote: »

I do like it here and it's my home but to be honest, right now I am very close to go 'sod this' and get out.

Seems a strange reaction. Where will you go? You can't move back to France because some French people also want to leave the EU. Presumably in order to escape from this anti EU negativity that has upset you so much, you will have to live in a non EU country as in every EU country a minority of the population wishes to leave the EU.

Norway might seem a good bet as you could retain most of the benefits that EU members have without having to suffer sharing the country with people who want Norway to leave the EU, but pretty soon you'll be shopping for rotten herring in a Norwegian supermarket and you will hear someone remark that they think Norway should leave the Schengen area because of all the foreigners coming over here and eating our rotten herring, and you will be so upset that you will have to move again and all that effort learning to speak Norweigian will have been wasted.

Perhaps North Korea will be your best bet as the majority of the population will not have heard of the EU let alone go around wanting to leave it.

Yolina

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Seems a strange reaction.

It's not a strange reaction.

So for the Nth time... I've been here for over 20 years, without needing any kind of residence permit or whatever, because EU. With me so far? Yes? I'm not going too fast?

So, let's say the UK votes out... If I'm going to be living in a non-EU country, then the UK is not the most attractive place and if I have to faff about with paperwork then I'd rather be in, say, Switzerland.
If I want to stick with a EU country, there's a few to pick from

If the UK votes in, whether I decide to stay or not will simply depend on how annoyed I am with the Brits after that

chewmylegoff

Yolina wrote: »

It's not a strange reaction.

So for the Nth time... I've been here for over 20 years, without needing any kind of residence permit or whatever, because EU. With me so far? Yes? I'm not going too fast?

So, let's say the UK votes out... If I'm going to be living in a non-EU country, then the UK is not the most attractive place and if I have to faff about with paperwork then I'd rather be in, say, Switzerland.
If I want to stick with a EU country, there's a few to pick from

If the UK votes in, whether I decide to stay or not will simply depend on how annoyed I am with the Brits after that

So you've lived here for 20 years but the only thing keeping you here is the fact that you currently don't have to "faff about with paperwork" and should you be required to do so you will be off to Switzerland which is well known to be completely free of any kind of bureaucracy whatsoever. Another well known fact about Switzerland is it is entirely free of any kind of xenophobia.

In any event, even if the UK votes to stay in the EU you are so upset that we had a democratic vote about it you will probably leave anyway, leaving behind the life you have built yourself here over 20 years on the basis of your outrage that the British people are not showing sufficient gratitude for the immaterial amount of tax you have personally paid.

It's almost as if you are just making up a load of complete nonsense in order to have a pointless argument about nothing on an Internet forum because you are a bit bored.

ash28

Yolina wrote: »

It's not a strange reaction.

So for the Nth time... I've been here for over 20 years, without needing any kind of residence permit or whatever, because EU. With me so far? Yes? I'm not going too fast?

So, let's say the UK votes out... If I'm going to be living in a non-EU country, then the UK is not the most attractive place and if I have to faff about with paperwork then I'd rather be in, say, Switzerland.
If I want to stick with a EU country, there's a few to pick from

If the UK votes in, whether I decide to stay or not will simply depend on how annoyed I am with the Brits after that

Switzerland had a referendum in 2014 about having quotas for EU migrants, the vote was for quotas (narrowly).

I think the Swiss government have 3 years to implement a referendum into law, so Feb 2017 for immigration quotas from the EU. The Swiss haven't been able to reach an agreement with EU on quotas - obviously, it flies in the face of free movement.

The Swiss government have a bit of a predicament, there is the Swiss constitution to uphold and then the EU free movement. They have started to draw up plans to implement quotas in the event there is no agreement.

The EU say no agreement can be signed until after 23rd June because immigration could be a big issue in the referendum here.


If you fancy Switzerland I'd go sooner rather later.......

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-europe-idUSKCN0W21ZB

mwpt

BobQ wrote: »

Fortunately for Yolina, we will probably vote to remain in the EU. Why any French citizen would want to live here for 20 years given the way they are treated by the minority of Brits I do not know.

Huh? The Brits are a very accepting people. Maybe my social circles don't allow me to interact with the characters you're talking about but from working in London, playing rugby in and around London, for nearly 14 (is it 15 now?) years, I've never felt unwelcome.

But then, maybe I don't have a chip on my shoulder or feel anyone owes me anything, and I have to earn friendship of my new country. In short, I try not to be a !!!!.

Yolina

Why on earth would I expect any kind of gratitude from anyone? I live here and so pay my taxes here - perfectly normal. However it does grate when a growing number of people assume that I'm just a sponger because I'm not British. I must be here to claim benefits, right?
As for faffing about: it's not the paperwork in itself (if you can deal with French bureaucracy, pretty much anything else is easy :rotfl: ) it's the principle, the fact that I was basically 'good enough' to move and live here, and then all of a sudden, after 20+ years, I wouldn't be and would need to ask permission? Doesn't sit well with me I'm afraid.

And no place is without its group of narrow-minded xenophobic tw*ts. I've always liked the UK, in part because there are (well were anyway) fewer narrow-minded xenophobic tw*ts but if it's going that way here anyway then I might as well have stayed in France. If the UK starts to feels like a country I am no longer happy to live in, I don't see why I shouldn't go somewhere else. I am free to move.

And I am fully aware of the Swiss quota thing but I thank you for your concern

Tromking

Yolina wrote: »

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And no place is without its group of narrow-minded xenophobic tw*ts. I've always liked the UK, in part because there are (well were anyway) fewer narrow-minded xenophobic tw*ts but if it's going that way here anyway then I might as well have stayed in France. If the UK starts to feels like a country I am no longer happy to live in, I don't see why I shouldn't go somewhere else. I am free to move.

I think if the UK ever got like France and a far right party started getting 42% of the vote, then I think I`d join you.
Never happening though is it?
We don`t do facism like they do in mainland Europe.

mayonnaise

mwpt wrote: »

Huh? The Brits are a very accepting people.

I wouldn't generalise too much. Hate crime against Eastern Europeans for example has been increasing dramatically.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/11/polish-people-rise-in-attacks-blame-recession-politicians-media

Fueled by (some) politicians' popular demagoguery and an incessant stream of immigrant bashing from certain media outlets.