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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • Tromking
    Tromking Posts: 2,691 Forumite
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    The biggest threat to our democracy is a government trying to act like tin-pot dictators without parliamentary oversight and control.

    The recent court ruling makes that prospect far less likely - but we must remain ever-vigilant.

    I think I`d believe you really thought that if the recent high court judgement did't suit your personal views on Brexit.
    Any fear you have re. the UK post Brexit, will be dwarfed by the ramifications for the Country if Brexit is fudged by the political class and those with a vested interest in denying the referendum result.
    “Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧
  • Tromking
    Tromking Posts: 2,691 Forumite
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    Moto2 wrote: »
    There are fascists on both the far left and far right.
    I have no idea why you think what part of the spectrum they belong has any relevance whatsoever.

    They why did you bring up Cable Street?
    “Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    edited 6 November 2016 at 12:02PM
    Masomnia wrote: »
    Since when has Parliament scrutinised or controlled government negotiations with foreign countries?

    International treaties or negotiations are never controlled by parliament, or have parliamentary oversight.

    Triggering Article 50 is not merely about negotiations with foreign countries - it's far more serious than that.

    The bit I rather suspect some people repeatedly fail to appreciate the importance of is that it also involves a one way process towards removing significant rights from British people bestowed on them by an act of Parliament.

    And expecting all 60 million people in Britain to lose those rights without any parliamentary oversight based on the opinion of the 17 million who voted leave would be both reckless and, as it turns out, illegal.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Tromking wrote: »
    the ramifications for the Country if Brexit is fudged by the political class and those with a vested interest in denying the referendum result.

    Brexit cannot be "fudged" - as the question on the ballot paper was simple - do we remain a member of the EU or not.

    The ballot paper did not ask anything about what a post-Brexit EU relationship looks like - the British people did not vote on any one vision of what a post EU relationship looks like - and the vote of the British people will have been delivered in full if we leave the EU but immediately join the EEA/EFTA.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • DiggerUK
    DiggerUK Posts: 4,992 Forumite
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    12,500+ posts, and still the nonesense of the referendum is the only item being discussed at the parish pump of Smallworld Hamlet. I still have no regrets about spoiling my ballot paper, and don't forget, a third of the country couldn't be bothered voting.

    Get a grip, it's the economy stupid. If it wasn't, some semblance of a consensus would have developed after so much time on the keyboards..._
  • Moto2
    Moto2 Posts: 2,206 Forumite
    Tromking wrote: »
    They why did you bring up Cable Street?

    Because that's an obvious, well known attempt by extremists taking to the street and it leading to violence?
    Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
  • Tromking
    Tromking Posts: 2,691 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Moto2 wrote: »
    They'll probably march down Cable Street again

    Who's the 'they' Moto?
    “Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧
  • Moto2
    Moto2 Posts: 2,206 Forumite
    Tromking wrote: »
    Who's the 'they' Moto?

    The extremists?
    Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
  • Masomnia
    Masomnia Posts: 19,506 Forumite
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    Triggering Article 50 is not merely about negotiations with foreign countries - it's far more serious than that.

    The bit I rather suspect some people repeatedly fail to appreciate the importance of is that it also involves a one way process towards removing significant rights from British people bestowed on them by an act of Parliament.

    And expecting all 60 million people in Britain to lose those rights without any parliamentary oversight based on the opinion of the 17 million who voted leave would be both reckless and, as it turns out, illegal.

    The rights would be lost when we leave and repeal with 1972 Act, which will require Parliament to vote for that; that was always going to happen. Parliament was always going to have to approve Brexit. All this ruling does is, potentially, drag it out.
    “I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse
  • Moto2
    Moto2 Posts: 2,206 Forumite
    Masomnia wrote: »
    . All this ruling does is, potentially, drag it out.

    Otherwise know as due diligence
    Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
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