If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-article-50_uk_581c5bcbe4b0c2e24aaf35b1
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jimjames

Castle wrote: »

I think they meant VAT; Income tax has remained at 20% since 2008.

I guess so. Based on their previous posts, using correct facts isn't their strong point

CKhalvashi

jimjames wrote: »

I guess so. Based on their previous posts, using correct facts isn't their strong point

20% is average-ish for VAT across Europe.

Our income taxes are by no means the highest either.

That said, I would like to see the reduced rate of VAT for more things.

buglawton

prosaver wrote: »

Its funny when we voted MP s ...they wernt required to put ALL their cards on the table and comply 100% (like brexit ).

Eg cons said they wont put income tax up and did to 20%
Labour promised 2 referendum and we didnt get on (lisbon Treaty )
Clegg just googled it and it was 10 and he wants to judge brexit policy s...come on ..
e Liberal Democrats will do a lot of talking at their conference in Glasgow this week, so it’s worth remembering the single most important truth about them: Nick Clegg has repeatedly said one thing and then done another. Time after time Nick Clegg has tried to distance himself from the failures of David Cameron’s government but the truth is he has ditched his principles and voted in Parliament with the Tories all the way.

Here’s a top 10:

1. Tuition Fees
Nick Clegg campaigned on a promise to scrap tuition fees if they got into power, and every Liberal Democrat MP pledged to vote against future tuition fee increases. But once in government, Nick Clegg and his MPs voted to treble tuition fees to £9,000,

2. VAT
Nick Clegg campaigned against what he called a “TORY VAT BOMBSHELL” during the election. But it was a bombshell he helped the Tories drop - voting to increase VAT to 20%.

3. Tax Cut for Millionaires
Nick Clegg promised “fairer taxes in tough times”, but he didn’t deliver them. Instead, he backed a Tory cut in the top rate of tax, giving 13,000 millionaires a tax cut worth an average £100,000 while millions are paying more.

4. Living Standards
Nick Clegg says that “thanks to the Liberal Democrats, the government has been helping people get through these difficult times with measures to make life fairer and easier”. The reality is that, with Liberal Democrats in government, things are getting harder - with wages down £1,500 since the election and a million young people out of work.

5. NHS
Nick Clegg and his party backed David Cameron’s top-down NHS reorganisation from the start. It was passed thanks to Lib Dem votes, and they share responsibility for wasting £3billion on a top-down NHS reorganisation while more people wait longer in A&Es and over 5,000 nurses are cut.

6. Mansion Tax
In opposition, the Liberal Democrats said they backed a mansion tax. Even after they went into coalition with the Tories, Nick Clegg said “The Mansion Tax is right, it makes sense and the Liberal Democrats will continue to make the case for it. We’re going to stick to our guns”. Did he stick to his guns? Of course not. When given the chance to stand up for their own principles and vote for a mansion tax, Liberal Democrat MPs voted against it.

7. Constitutional Reform
Nick Clegg said his constitutional reform programme would be “the biggest shake-up of our democracy since the Great Reform Act of 1832”. It wasn’t. He abandoned Lords reform after Conservative MPs refused to back it, and he failed to deliver reform of the voting system.

8. Sure Start
In May 2010, Nick Clegg promised to protect Sure Start and told voters that “Difficult decisions are going to have to be made in public spending, but Sure Start is one of the best things the last government has done and I want all these centres to stay open”. But in Government, the Liberal Democrats have backed cuts to Sure Start - and 558 centres have shut so far.

9. Police
In the Liberal Democrat manifesto, Nick Clegg promised to put 3,000 more police on the beat. But in Government they backed Tory plans to cut more than 15,000 police officers.

10. Special Advisers
In opposition, the Liberal Democrats said that special advisers “are political jobs, and should, therefore, be funded by political parties”. They changed their tune when they got into Government. Nick Clegg alone has sixteen Special Advisers - paid for at the taxpayers’ expense
Enjoy

You carefully omitted to mention that thanks to the LibDems the
Personal Allowance is now £11,000 for a 0% tax rate.

But the real irony is that by moderating the right wing agenda as it did, the coalition made the Tories undeservedly popular, so much so that they managed to win an outright majority in the following election. Ah well, butterfly effect and all that.

prosaver

buglawton wrote: »

You carefully omitted to mention that thanks to the LibDems the
Personal Allowance is now £11,000 for a 0% tax rate.

But the real irony is that by moderating the right wing agenda as it did, the coalition made the Tories undeservedly popular, so much so that they managed to win an outright majority in the following election. Ah well, butterfly effect and all that.

well 11k thing didnt work after broken promises.
Felt sorry for the guy as his hands was tied and he made deal with his devil.. doesnt work ..

mrginge

buglawton wrote: »

You carefully omitted to mention that thanks to the LibDems the
Personal Allowance is now £11,000 for a 0% tax rate.

Given the financial position of the govt at the time (and still), a policy that actually *should* have been chucked in the bin.

CKhalvashi

buglawton wrote: »

But the real irony is that by moderating the right wing agenda as it did, the coalition made the Tories undeservedly popular, so much so that they managed to win an outright majority in the following election. Ah well, butterfly effect and all that.

I've heard a lot of 'we should have the coalition back', leading me to believe that LD will do a lot better than at the 2015 election, and possibly a lot better than the 2010 election.

ruggedtoast

Corbyn to crush Brexit. Labour to block Article 50.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-block-article-50-theresa-may-cannot-guarantee-single-market-access-brexit-a7400266.html

Masomnia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Corbyn to crush Brexit. Labour to block Article 50.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-block-article-50-theresa-may-cannot-guarantee-single-market-access-brexit-a7400266.html

Theresa May can't guarantee Single Market 'access' (whatever that actually means, I doubt Corbyn knows), because it will depend on the negotiations.

Bring on the election.

I'd say 'bye bye Cobyn' or words to that effect, but I'm not sure he'll actually stand down when he loses.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I've heard a lot of 'we should have the coalition back', leading me to believe that LD will do a lot better than at the 2015 election, and possibly a lot better than the 2010 election.

Yes - there does appear to be a bit of a quiet Lib Dem resurgence going on - it's not yet reflected in national polling but you do hear it on the ground and their performance in recent by-elections has surprised to the upside.