If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

Ministers preparing for early general election after Tory MP quits over Brexit

It prompted an angry response from the Government, with David Jones, a minister in the Brexit department, saying that voters are "sick" of Remain supporters in Parliament attempting to "thwart" the will of the British people.

He said: "The problem we have got is we have a Brexit majority in the country and a Remain majority in Parliament.
"There are a number of members of Parliament who say they respect the result but they want to remain in the single market, which means the European court would have jurisdiction over this.
"They want free movement and would like to carry on paying into the European union budget.
"I had believed until this week, that we would be able to avoid an early election. Given this court judgement and the likelihood that we won't win the appeal and given the intransigence in the Lords particularly, I am now open-minded to an early election as many colleagues are."

an analysis found that when the referendum result is replicated using the 2015 general election boundaries, “Leave” would win 421 seats and “Remain” would win just 229.

Analysis suggests that 150 of Labour's current seats voted to leave while 82 backed staying inside the union, the party's official position.
For the Conservatives 258 constituencies voted to leave, while just 72 backed remain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/ministers-preparing-for-early-general-election-after-tory-mp-qui/

Good idea. The HoC no longer represents voters views. The Labour Party have too many MPs as Labour voters actually voted for a party led by Ed and not one led by JC. Brexit would be a smoother process with a bigger majority for the May government.

setmefree2

In other words parliament may be constitutionally in control of the process, but politically it is trapped. It freely asked for a clear instruction from the British people, and was given one. It should withdraw the UK from the EU, no ifs or buts.
Channelling this through parliament may complicate and postpone Brexit – for which the economy will give MPs no thanks – but the guidance of parliament should strengthen not weaken the negotiation.
That is why the prime minister should forget her appeal to the supreme court. Instead May should request a swift vote of confidence from the Commons in proceeding to withdraw.

The Commons can, and in my view should, howl and plead for “soft Brexit”. But if ministers are denied a vote of confidence in pressing ahead with withdrawal, the government would fall and a general election would be politically inevitable. Remain MPs might plead Edmund Burke’s line about owing his voters not his obedience, but it would be a virtual single-issue election, with the moral weight for leave.
Remain may still have shots in its locker, but it is democratically implausible. May can concede what she can to MPs, and promise what she can. She has a nightmare ahead of her. But for now she should obey the judges, call the remainers’ bluff and seek a swift vote of confidence in her decision to withdraw and negotiate.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/04/court-ruling-reinforces-brexit-withdraw-eu

A vote of no confidence would trigger an election without having to the 75% majority.

setmefree2

Why Labour can't get its act together on Brexit

Political distractions and policy incoherence have left the party marginalised during the seminal event of post-war politics.

As Stephen Bush reported yesterday, the shadow chancellor John McDonnell spent the early parts of this week meeting with senior Monumentum and trade union union officials in an attempt to broker a ceasefire. “The civil war almost got bloody,” a senior Momentum figure tells me, “but for the time being we have a resolution.” In other words, the Labour leadership has busied itself this week with the infighting and debating the direction of a grassroots radical left group. The Conservatives, the High Court, the media and the general public have got on with the business of debating the direction of the country.

The underlying reason Labour has been mute, though, is that it doesn’t have much to say, and that which is said is riddled by contradictions. On the one hand, Corbyn claims to have accepted the will of the people, but on the other says he won’t be forced into “cynical” measures on reducing migration and wants so-called maximum access to the single market

Corbyn recently put together a shadow Brexit team to develop greater clarity and hold the government to account. But he has reportedly not met with them once: a brave decision when he accused the Conservatives of not having a plan

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/11/why-labour-cant-get-its-act-together-brexit

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

A vote of no confidence would trigger an election without having to the 75% majority.

The Tories are on the wrong side of this argument so why don't they just accept the ruling with good grace and debate the issue at hand?

It's almost certain to get through parliament. If it doesn't and a general election is called the Tories will probably still have a majority.

Politicking. They're pretending to be fighting principles and making it too obvious they're really looking to expand their majority in advance of 2020 - I hope they get called on it.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

I think that's what is going on here - the *very* long game - remember Gove wanted 2 years before article 50 was triggered - when The Remainers said it takes years to get trade agreements in place - they weren't exaggerating.

This is just speculation (from me) yes just guessing
When, and I say when article 50 is triggered if the negotiated positions are very clear on both sides and no compromise seems possible then, just like a plaster the best thing to do is (wrip it off) agree to disagree and leave.
This will reduce the window of uncertainty that is of no use to anyone. Perhaps we should consider the two years available for negotiation has already started

gfplux

This is speculation from me, yes just a guess.

While we wait fiddling with our fingers (to trigger A50) Britain (is not burning but delay can only cause damage) can not get on with the job.
The Government should drop the appeal and debate Brexit ASAP.

I hope one day we will not look back on the Brexit debate as a cause of destroying democracy in Britain.

Concerned75

Stupid idea in the first place. These superstate concepts are only effective in places like America. ONE government, ONE currency, ONE main language.
The sooner we're out of this power mad pantomime, the better!!😠😠😠

shaggydoo

Concerned75 wrote: »

Stupid idea in the first place. These superstate concepts are only effective in places like America. ONE government, ONE currency, ONE main language.
The sooner we're out of this power mad pantomime, the better!!😠😠😠

Agree but not even sure it works in the US which is why Americans are so angry. Plenty of Americans in the south still support the idea of The Confederacy.

prosaver

Its funny when we voted MP s ...they wernt required to put ALL their cards on the table and comply 100% (like brexit ).

Eg cons said they wont put income tax up and did to 20%
Labour promised 2 referendum and we didnt get on (lisbon Treaty )
Clegg just googled it and it was 10 and he wants to judge brexit policy s...come on ..
e Liberal Democrats will do a lot of talking at their conference in Glasgow this week, so it’s worth remembering the single most important truth about them: Nick Clegg has repeatedly said one thing and then done another. Time after time Nick Clegg has tried to distance himself from the failures of David Cameron’s government but the truth is he has ditched his principles and voted in Parliament with the Tories all the way.

Here’s a top 10:

1. Tuition Fees
Nick Clegg campaigned on a promise to scrap tuition fees if they got into power, and every Liberal Democrat MP pledged to vote against future tuition fee increases. But once in government, Nick Clegg and his MPs voted to treble tuition fees to £9,000,

2. VAT
Nick Clegg campaigned against what he called a “TORY VAT BOMBSHELL” during the election. But it was a bombshell he helped the Tories drop - voting to increase VAT to 20%.

3. Tax Cut for Millionaires
Nick Clegg promised “fairer taxes in tough times”, but he didn’t deliver them. Instead, he backed a Tory cut in the top rate of tax, giving 13,000 millionaires a tax cut worth an average £100,000 while millions are paying more.

4. Living Standards
Nick Clegg says that “thanks to the Liberal Democrats, the government has been helping people get through these difficult times with measures to make life fairer and easier”. The reality is that, with Liberal Democrats in government, things are getting harder - with wages down £1,500 since the election and a million young people out of work.

5. NHS
Nick Clegg and his party backed David Cameron’s top-down NHS reorganisation from the start. It was passed thanks to Lib Dem votes, and they share responsibility for wasting £3billion on a top-down NHS reorganisation while more people wait longer in A&Es and over 5,000 nurses are cut.

6. Mansion Tax
In opposition, the Liberal Democrats said they backed a mansion tax. Even after they went into coalition with the Tories, Nick Clegg said “The Mansion Tax is right, it makes sense and the Liberal Democrats will continue to make the case for it. We’re going to stick to our guns”. Did he stick to his guns? Of course not. When given the chance to stand up for their own principles and vote for a mansion tax, Liberal Democrat MPs voted against it.

7. Constitutional Reform
Nick Clegg said his constitutional reform programme would be “the biggest shake-up of our democracy since the Great Reform Act of 1832”. It wasn’t. He abandoned Lords reform after Conservative MPs refused to back it, and he failed to deliver reform of the voting system.

8. Sure Start
In May 2010, Nick Clegg promised to protect Sure Start and told voters that “Difficult decisions are going to have to be made in public spending, but Sure Start is one of the best things the last government has done and I want all these centres to stay open”. But in Government, the Liberal Democrats have backed cuts to Sure Start - and 558 centres have shut so far.

9. Police
In the Liberal Democrat manifesto, Nick Clegg promised to put 3,000 more police on the beat. But in Government they backed Tory plans to cut more than 15,000 police officers.

10. Special Advisers
In opposition, the Liberal Democrats said that special advisers “are political jobs, and should, therefore, be funded by political parties”. They changed their tune when they got into Government. Nick Clegg alone has sixteen Special Advisers - paid for at the taxpayers’ expense
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StevieJ

If an election is called I should imagine that the LibDems will do pretty good, if the new polls are to be believed they have 51% of the electorate who are not happy with a Brexit to aim at.