If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

Moto2 wrote: »

The extremists?

Your weasel words are noted.

Moto2

Tromking wrote: »

Your weasel words are noted.

Oh god, no
Don't tell me you have a little book you put names in?

And if you want to know what my idea of an extremist is, there's one up before a jury at he Old Bailey on Monday week

wotsthat

Don't tell him your name Pike.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Masomnia wrote: »

The rights would be lost when we leave and repeal with 1972 Act, which will require Parliament to vote for that; that was always going to happen. Parliament was always going to have to approve Brexit. All this ruling does is, potentially, drag it out.

But the key argument, made by both the government and the litigants, is that Article 50 is irrevocable.

If it is irrevocable then declaring it ensures British people will eventually lose those rights. As in effect the only choice Parliament would have after article 50 is declared would be to leave the EU no matter what and in so doing those rights would be lost.

Article 50 is the central issue then in the loss of rights by British citizens and any parliamentary scrutiny must be before not after article 50 is declared - which is essentially what the court has said.

Masomnia

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But the key argument, made by both the government and the litigants, is that Article 50 is irrevocable.

If it is irrevocable then declaring it ensures British people will eventually lose those rights. As in effect the only choice Parliament would have after article 50 is declared would be to leave the EU no matter what and in so doing those rights would be lost.

Article 50 is the central issue then in the loss of rights by British citizens and any parliamentary scrutiny must be before not after article 50 is declared - which is essentially what the court has said.

Big 'if'.

I suspect that will form part of the appeal.

I understand the reasoning, but I wonder if it really is the case that the rights will 'inevitably' be lost by triggering article 50. The European Communities Act incorporates EU law into UK law; that doesn't change until the Act is repealed which can only be done by Parliament. That process still has to happen, so even if Article 50 does set us on the path to leaving, arguably the rights still remain under EU law until repealed by parliament.

Once we've left the EU (let's assume we do!) whatever does replace the ECA 1972 will likely have a provision in it that EU law still applies except where Parliament has repealed it. As I understand it that is the current plan to allow for continuity, so Parliament will still be having their say.

We'll have to wait and see what comes out of the appeal I suppose.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Masomnia wrote: »

I wonder if it really is the case that the rights will 'inevitably' be lost by triggering article 50. The European Communities Act incorporates EU law into UK law; that doesn't change until the Act is repealed which can only be done by Parliament. That process still has to happen, so even if Article 50 does set us on the path to leaving, arguably the rights still remain under EU law until repealed by parliament.

Once we've left the EU (let's assume we do!) whatever does replace the ECA 1972 will likely have a provision in it that EU law still applies except where Parliament has repealed it.

Rights (as opposed to potential future alternatives) will inevitably be lost when we leave the EU no matter what Parliament then does with the ECA 1972.

Our rights to live and work in the EU for example automatically expire when we leave the EU - even if Parliament does not repeal the ECA 1972 - so article 50 is the primary determinant as to whether those rights will be lost.

It may or may not be the case that government negotiation and future agreements could replace those rights with alternatives - but that doesn't change the fact that existing rights will be lost - so parliamentary scrutiny and approval is required.

Masomnia

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Rights (as opposed to potential future alternatives) will inevitably be lost when we leave the EU no matter what Parliament then does with the ECA 1972.

Our rights to live and work in the EU for example automatically expire when we leave the EU - even if Parliament does not repeal the ECA 1972 - so article 50 is the primary determinant as to whether those rights will be lost.

It may or may not be the case that government negotiation and future agreements could replace those rights with alternatives - but that doesn't change the fact that existing rights will be lost - so parliamentary scrutiny and approval is required.

I think this may be where it gets tricky because our right to live and work in the EU is determined by EU law, not UK law. So is the UK Parliament even relevant? Parliament is not sovereign in terms of our rights granted to us by the EU.

I'll be honest I'm not sure how that works.

Conrad

Remainers were not concerned with us handing over rights to Brusells, why the sudden interest?

Brits go live in Turkey and many other parts of the world, OK a bit more involved but we can live with it far better than we can live without sovereignty, and we save £28 million per day to spend on ourselves, a right in itself.

setmefree2

Masomnia wrote: »

All this ruling does is, potentially, drag it out.

Which is a good thing. It allows the government and the civil service the time it needs to get all its ducks in a row with the WTO.

Time - something the EU won't give us.

So yes keep up the stalling Remainers - it benefits the whole country in the long run. :T

setmefree2

Meanwhile, away from Westminster and the tv studios, the Real Brexit work continues.

Prime Minister to LAUNCH Yellow Pages-style for British goods to foreigners

THERESA MAY will launch a Yellow Pages-style “directory of exporters” to highlight the quality and range of British goods available to foreign buyers.

Insiders claim the Prime Minister’s “world beating” initiative will help Britain boom post Brexit and become the global leader in free trade.
The online directory, likened to a modern-day Domesday Book, will be launched next month and can be used by foreign firms to find the products, services and skills they require.
It is spearheaded by Liam Fox’s Department for International Trade.

An insider told the Sunday Express: “If a manufacturer on the other side of the world wants to produce a new range of jackets, for example, and is looking to buy buttons to match them, they can access the directory which will tell them exactly how many firms in the UK produce buttons and put them in touch with those firms.”
The directory is one of a number of schemes being set up by the Government to boost exports and help firms benefit from the weak pound

Other plans are thought to include new tax breaks for British businesses as an incentive to boost exports.
Since July, companies have been invited to be included in the directory.
Five high street banks, Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds, NatWest and Santander, have agreed to support the scheme, which is intended to make the UK the easiest country from which to export.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/729161/Theresa-May-Prime-Minister-Yellow-Pages-British-goods-foreigners-Brexit

https://www.exportingisgreat.gov.uk/