If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Ballard wrote: »

I'd started getting somnolent after a few minutes and didn't get to the end but in the part that I watched he didn't say anything earth shattering. "I was able to give Nissan reassurance that the government's position is that we don't want tariffs imposed". Quite frankly I'd be more than a little disappointed if they did.

As we've said all along, real workers in Europe are not going to go along with hampering thier own trade and putting thier jobs at risk. If you could just get on board with this point, your whole Brexit view could be transformed.

You are starting out with the assumption European workers would harm themselves with barriers and tariffs which would also put up thier own cost of living. This assumption by remain is fundamentally flawed.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Considering that only 5% of UK companies export to the EU, and many of these are foreign owned multinationals. Very easy to see where the (money talks) lobbying is coming from. The fact that JCB resigned from the CBI. Clearly illustrates that there is a divide in opinion within business itself.

5% is still 250000.

Have you considered that the majority of the companies in the UK are a salon in Cambridge or a garage in Coventry, and therefore aren't wanting to be multinational from the beginning.

Would we really want to hamper 250000 of our own businesses by coming out of the common market? Probably not.

We export a lot more to the EU in percentage of trade terms than they export to us, so whilst EU businesses should be a little scared, we should be terrified.

Conrad

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We export a lot more to the EU in percentage of trade terms than they export to us, so whilst EU businesses should be a little scared, we should be terrified.[/QUOTE]



We've been over this many times.
France and Germany employ 5 workers involved in their trade with us to our 3. Millions of workers.


There will be no hampering of trade, as it would be self harming. Merkel today is reported in the Sunday Times saying what we Brexiteers said all along; There will be no hampering of trade, not a jot


You include all the little nations that we trade little with, an irrelevant comparison


You also keep ignoring other facts such as the fact Japan exports huge amount of services into the EU, with NO trade deal at all


A friend of ours complained to us yesterday they are struggling to import cards from China. But she went on to say they are replacing this with UK made cards. Brilliant, we don't need more imports, we need less

Thrugelmir

Conrad wrote: »

A friend of ours complained to us yesterday they are struggling to import cards from China. But she went on to say they are replacing this with UK made cards. Brilliant, we don't need more imports, we need less

Importing cheap product and selling at a profit. Was never a long term sustainable business model. Unless you could move production to another cheaper source. Trouble is other countries don't manufacture with same quality as the Chinese. An issue for many companies requiring a quality product to resell.

CKhalvashi

Conrad wrote: »

A friend of ours complained to us yesterday they are struggling to import cards from China. But she went on to say they are replacing this with UK made cards. Brilliant, we don't need more imports, we need less

In the same way as someone's ridiculous argument that we don't import workers we might need in 30 years, we should be looking at the situation of now, rather than in the future.

Get the exports above imports, then my stance will change.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Get the exports above imports, then my stance will change.

Zero sum game. If everybody exports who is the net importer? A there has to be one. The UK has to focus on reducing imports where ever possible, i.e. repatriating work on shore. Whether it be call centres or manufacturing production.

LHW99

Trouble is other countries don't manufacture with same quality as the Chinese.

The quality can be good, but their interpretation of specifications can be very literal, and communication poor.
That then causes quality issues down the line because what may have acceptable durability in one area of the world doesn't last when exposed to other conditions, particularly with respect to environmental factors.

Thrugelmir

LHW99 wrote: »

The quality can be good, but their interpretation of specifications can be very literal, and communication poor.

In a niche field. I know of manufacturers that have looked at Vietnam, Cambodia etc. In the end left production in China at far higher cost. As there were genuine concerns.

ruperts

There's a lot of love for repatriating manufacturing among brexiters but I don't know why. Unless they think that by getting our sock factories back it'll be just like it was in 1950 and they'll be in their teens again. The reality is that modern mass manufacturing employs barely any people and those jobs it does create are mostly minimum wage. In addition it's a dying industry which will be replaced completely replaced in years to come. Basing our future economy on that seems like utter stupidity to me.

CLAPTON

ruperts wrote: »

There's a lot of love for repatriating manufacturing among brexiters but I don't know why. Unless they think that by getting our sock factories back it'll be just like it was in 1950 and they'll be in their teens again. The reality is that modern mass manufacturing employs barely any people and those jobs it does create are mostly minimum wage. In addition it's a dying industry which will be replaced completely replaced in years to come. Basing our future economy on that seems like utter stupidity to me.

is that because we will all stop wearing socks?