If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

cogito wrote: »

Fact is that I live in euroland and as my income is in £, I have seen it fall by about 15% in the last few months. That hurts but unlike some of the others on here, I don't moan about it. It doesn't shake my belief that the UK will be much better off outside the EU.

You're obviously not faced with the real prospect of losing a business you've worked hard to build then, one which relies on trade with the EU.

Since the referendum I've had my main line of credit cut, and have been refused any form of support at all in getting this replaced with anything.

I see my only option at the moment as relocating to the EU, however that comes with the risk that I'm not going to be allowed to stay afterwards.

The cost of the EU to the UK is 30p a day per person. Even using the (absolute rubbish) figure of £350m a week, that figure is 86p a day, to be able to trade borderlessly with 500 million people in a geographically and culturally similar area.

I don't see how you think that isn't good value for money and how that can reasonably be improved on cost-wise.

TrickyTree83

mrginge wrote: »

The Swiss are not allowed to put curbs on the migration aspect.

EFTA countries pay into the EU budget

Trade deals are negotiated as a bloc. We want to negotiate our own deals and not have liechtenstein block us based on their totally different requirements.

EFTA as a group would be totally unbalanced by the addition of the UK (8 or so times larger?) why would they want this and why would we want to? Norway has already questioned whether adding the U.K. to EFTA is to their benefit.

EFTA/EEA as an outcome is worse than remaining in the EU. Single market alongside the same payments, less regulatory control, less control of immigration.

I've no problem with FoM and I've no problem with payments.

You are in fact incorrect with regards to the ability to negotiate trade deals on our own with 3rd party countries as a member of EFTA.

EFTA's members see the association as a platform for pursuing FTAs, where they can
speak with one voice. However, because EFTA is not a customs union and its members are
not bound by a common tariff system, each EFTA country can decide its own trade
policies. As a result, EFTA members have also concluded bilateral FTAs outside EFTA's
framework with major economies such as China and Japan

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/580918/EPRS_BRI(2016)580918_EN.pdf

That's twice today I've had people tell me how EEA/EFTA works and they've been wrong.

Has no one read about it at all?

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Taking into account that overall, Britain imports more than it exports, the cheap PC.

The very long standing unsustainable issue we need to tackle head on. Simply giving up and carrying on importing and consuming is the lazy dangerous option.

Guess what, if you keep sending your own money out of the country and never get the same back, your money slowly runs down and you borrow from future growth

TrickyTree83

CKhalvashi wrote: »

You're obviously not faced with the real prospect of losing a business you've worked hard to build then, one which relies on trade with the EU.

Since the referendum I've had my main line of credit cut, and have been refused any form of support at all in getting this replaced with anything.

I see my only option at the moment as relocating to the EU, however that comes with the risk that I'm not going to be allowed to stay afterwards.

The cost of the EU to the UK is 30p a day per person. Even using the (absolute rubbish) figure of £350m a week, that figure is 86p a day, to be able to trade borderlessly with 500 million people in a geographically and culturally similar area.

I don't see how you think that isn't good value for money and how that can reasonably be improved on cost-wise.

EEA/EFTA is the way forward.

If immigration is such a massive issue we should team up with the Swiss and get concessions for the EEA/EFTA area such as immigration controls (movement of labour? no international recruitment?) and lower payments. Everybody wins.

Conrad

CKhalvashi wrote: »

You're obviously not faced with the real prospect of losing a business you've worked hard to build then, one which relies on trade with the EU.

Since the referendum I've had my main line of credit cut, and have been refused any form of support at all in getting this replaced with anything.

I see my only option at the moment as relocating to the EU, however that comes with the risk that I'm not going to be allowed to stay afterwards.

The cost of the EU to the UK is 30p a day per person. Even using the (absolute rubbish) figure of £350m a week, that figure is 86p a day, to be able to trade borderlessly with 500 million people in a geographically and culturally similar area.

I don't see how you think that isn't good value for money and how that can reasonably be improved on cost-wise.

My income halved due to the Banking crash, I had to make the best of it. Start exporting, it's what we need, we have far too much tat imports than end up down the tip

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Said precisely this, many times. It's not just Lithuania, it's the whole thing. It sucks talent from the poor economies to the rich economies.

As I said about 2/3 days ago, a friend of mine is a fully qualified accountant from Latvia who works in a call centre for a large well known retailer because they can speak English and Russian.

Sad.

We can't carry on sucking talent out of more vulnerable nations. Another reason Remainers aren't nearly as compassionate as they make out. I hate it when they celebrate stealing talent from far more needy parts of he world, it's as if they are never satisfied that they are already far more priveleged than many in the world. Ooooh lets celebrate taking vital Doctors away from Uganda, terrific.

Thrugelmir

Yamumuk wrote: »

Food will be a right downer cause that will be every week, week on week and definitely hit the poorest the hardest. I am glad I bought 7 packs of 1KG @ £1 of Napolina pasta recently.

Change your buying habits then. Support UK food producers and help rebalance the UK economy. Buying imported product does nothing to help the UK's balance of trade deficit.

cogito

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Said precisely this, many times. It's not just Lithuania, it's the whole thing. It sucks talent from the poor economies to the rich economies.

As I said about 2/3 days ago, a friend of mine is a fully qualified accountant from Latvia who works in a call centre for a large well known retailer because they can speak English and Russian.

Sad.

I've posted about this issue several times over the past few months. You can't stop people going where they want to go but countries like Lithuania are seeing the whole demographic changing resulting in a depleted tax base to the detriment of those, usually elderly, people who don't have the option of leaving.

Greece has reported slightly lower unemployment figures lately but it's an illusion. Their young people are also leaving for the UK, Germany and other countries of the diaspora like Australia and Canada.

It's all very well for the likes of Hamish to call for unrestricted immigration but it's immoral for us to allow this when you consider the consequences for the countries that lose out.

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

The very long standing unsustainable issue we need to tackle head on. Simply giving up and carrying on importing and consuming is the lazy dangerous option.

Guess what, if you keep sending your own money out of the country and never get the same back, your money slowly runs down and you borrow from future growth

!!!!!! the reason our economy is unbalanced isn't because we are in the unfortunate position of being part of an enormous and wealthy free trade area most places in the world would give an arm to join, necessitating us impoverishing ourselves so that we can't buy anything.

Is this actually what you people believe? You are completely delusional.

:wall:

CKhalvashi

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

EEA/EFTA is the way forward.

If immigration is such a massive issue we should team up with the Swiss and get concessions for the EEA/EFTA area such as immigration controls (movement of labour? no international recruitment?) and lower payments. Everybody wins.

With the current circumstances this is my preferred option, but I'm not 100% sure it's realistic in the prescribed period with the current government.

I also support remaining in the single customs union, however the same applies.

I'm willing to give some wriggle room but ultimately at this stage, my main concern is to protect my own interests, and this is what I'm going to do.

Conrad wrote: »

My income halved due to the Banking crash, I had to make the best of it. Start exporting, it's what we need, we have far too much tat imports than end up down the tip

I do export.

The way I do business isn't about going into something and making the largest amount of money in the shortest time possible, but about sustainably working with industry contacts, protecting my supply chain and ensuring that there is a good deal to everyone. In comparison to other companies, I've occasionally done that to my detriment, however I will stand by what I believe in and do that in a way that's fair.