If we vote for Brexit what happens

CKhalvashi

setmefree2 wrote: »

What do you value more - a cheap PC or a more competitive environment for our exporters and home producers?

Taking into account that overall, Britain imports more than it exports, the cheap PC.

Yamumuk

setmefree2 wrote: »

What do you value more - a cheap PC or a more competitive environment for our exporters and home producers?

I don't think it is a hard and fast choice is it ?

We have expensive PC's now, that's real. A competitive export market is not guaranteed or proven steady, it's been a mere 3 months ! If we retain low currency value as someone mentioned we are effectively are taking a pay cut. Manufacturers in the E.U. will adjust profit expectation and surely try and remain competitive to U.K. products as per common sense business practice and adjustment to market conditions depending on type of market I would have thought. So those export gains may not be as bouyant as you might think.

One thing that will be sure is that we will get screwed on pricing as per normal. Coming out of the E.u. does not mean withdrawing from capitalism ! Again people have blamed something on the E.U. that was not the E.U's fault. I suspect as time goes on we will find out just how much the E.U. was benefiting us. Some more than others of course.

If Brexit ever happens that is.

CKhalvashi

Conrad wrote: »

Danone will still want us buying their Yoghurt, Prosseco their bubbly and Audi their cars.
NOTHING WILL CHANGE, trade wise.


Lets imagine a date of say 30/March 2019. The French people are told prices are going to take a jump as Hollande wants to add tariffs. Moreover, French contracts start getting cancelled as British supermarkets turn away from them due to tariffs and barriers. French workers start getting laid off, Farmers going bust due to loss of UK contracts


Really, really?


No way

You don't seem to realise that this will go in the same way, the other way around if the cost of actually moving whatever goes higher than the difference of the exchange rate minus tariffs.

Remember also that haulage companies will require a carnet for drivers, which will add time and cost onto the cost of delivering.

Yamumuk

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I find it hilarious that there are complaints about the pricing of the most overpriced products in the world going up because of Brexit.

Like the price of Apple products wasn't an issue before June 23rd.

Apple Sales Director: "Excuse to hike the price, hell yeah!".

Better learn Linux and get yourself a used laptop, will ultimately do the same job.

Sorry to burst the bubble Tricky but PC suppliers, both off the shelf office PC's and custom built high end machines are doing the same. It is I.T. industry wide.

Linux needs the same hardware as any other OS. Buy second hand is an option at any stage in market pricing. I guess second hand prices will also rise given a few years.

TrickyTree83

Yamumuk wrote: »

Sorry to burst the bubble Tricky but PC suppliers, both off the shelf office PC's and custom built high end machines are doing the same. It is I.T. industry wide.

Linux needs the same hardware as any other OS. Buy second hand is an option at any stage in price increases. I guess second hand prices will also rise given a few years.

Your average user has probably little need to upgrade their laptop to the latest spec.

I see it all the time, "fix my laptop", "make it faster", and it's not my job but people don't understand how computers work. You can make the laptop as fast as it was the day you bought it, it doesn't get progressively slower over time because it's getting old. It gets that way because of how the end user treats it, just like a car, only people don't service them. They trade it in for the latest model, wait a few years and do the same again. It's crazy.

If you've got enough money for the latest model, I don't care that you'll have to pay extra for it, Apple has always been a fashion statement, possibly with the exception of some media editing software. But price hikes to Apple products won't affect the poorest in society when a usual laptop which is serviced regularly will suffice which is still affordable as it should be a long term investment, and not a fashion statement.

And if you want to talk about business use there will be very few who use iOS products. They'll stick to homogeneous software products like Microsoft Office and Windows because that's what is in school. You'll also find that the costs of software and hardware to business is usually dealt with pretty easily.

Gamers - they'll suffer, they buy high end kit, but that's a hobby (for most). So as far as consumers go there's not really a story they should remain largely unaffected if they're not fools who are easily parted from their money.

kabayiri

Apple don't brand themselves as producers of basic smart phones; media players; or laptops.

It's a lifestyle element.

If you were totally price conscious today, you would be buying a competing product with Windows or Chrome on it.

In the greater scheme of things, these products are in real terms still cheaper than they have ever been. A basic laptop in the 90s was easily £1500 for something clearly inferior.

The driver for this has been the globalised manufacturing engine which is China++, not the EU.

setmefree2

Remember we were discussing Poland and Lithuania the other day...

Shock Lithuania election WIN for ANTI-EMIGRATION party urging its people to STAY at home

A PARTY pledging to end the flow of Lithuanian migrants to the UK has won a shock victory in the country’s elections.

Lithuania’s population has plummeted from almost 4 million in 1995 to 2.9 million this year, with the majority emigrating to Western Europe in search of work.
Since Lithuania joined the EU in 2004, around 370,000 citizens have emigrated, with more than 150,000 Lithuanians now living in the UK.
The country is one of the EU minnows being economically crippled by Angela Merkel’s insistence on unchecked freedom of movement.

The pair hope the exodus of skilled and unskilled workers to the UK will slow, with the country’s economy expected to improve by 2.5 per cent this year.

Lithuania is not the first country to push for an end to emigration, with Latvia using the Jackson 5 song ‘I want you back’ in a campaign earlier this year.
Poland have also attempted to get hundreds of thousands of migrants to return home with a ‘Return’ campaign, which offered expats help with housing, jobs and healthcare.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724457/lithuanian-election-peasants-and-green-union-LPGU-Saulius-Skvernelis

I remember seeing a piece on newsnight about all the old Polish people who have just been left alone in their towns and villages... pretty sad tbh.

Nuts.

mrginge

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It would be the perfect model, especially if we got together with the Swiss to put curbs on the migration aspect of it.

It's what the entire EU should be, rather than what it has become.

The Swiss are not allowed to put curbs on the migration aspect.

EFTA countries pay into the EU budget

Trade deals are negotiated as a bloc. We want to negotiate our own deals and not have liechtenstein block us based on their totally different requirements.

EFTA as a group would be totally unbalanced by the addition of the UK (8 or so times larger?) why would they want this and why would we want to? Norway has already questioned whether adding the U.K. to EFTA is to their benefit.

EFTA/EEA as an outcome is worse than remaining in the EU. Single market alongside the same payments, less regulatory control, less control of immigration.

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Sorry you feel that way about those that don't share your views.

On the other hand, my sole intention now is to protect my own interests. If you don't give a monkeys about that either, then your problem.

Fact is that I live in euroland and as my income is in £, I have seen it fall by about 15% in the last few months. That hurts but unlike some of the others on here, I don't moan about it. It doesn't shake my belief that the UK will be much better off outside the EU.

TrickyTree83

setmefree2 wrote: »

Remember we were discussing Poland and Lithuania the other day...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724457/lithuanian-election-peasants-and-green-union-LPGU-Saulius-Skvernelis

I remember seeing a piece on newsnight about all the old Polish people who have just been left alone in their towns and villages... pretty sad tbh.

Nuts.

Said precisely this, many times. It's not just Lithuania, it's the whole thing. It sucks talent from the poor economies to the rich economies.

As I said about 2/3 days ago, a friend of mine is a fully qualified accountant from Latvia who works in a call centre for a large well known retailer because they can speak English and Russian.

Sad.