If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Brexit has been project lies from day 1.

Whilst everything said by the Remainers was absolute truth....

...and we voters were too thick to see through the rhetoric on both sides....

And you with a degree from Cambridge too....

PS Labour has no Brexit position, no position on immigration, no position on Trade Deals, no position on the WTO...nothing, zilch, nada.

AND it barely turned up for the EU debate in June.

cells

Conrad wrote: »

We need more people doing satisfying jobs that feel they have a stake and a purpose, not so many non jobs with poor terms and incomes

Instead of shuffling around plastic dolls and party hats from China up the M1, they want to be engaged in production and export, all perfectly doable

Well I've worked in four different manufacturing and exporting jobs and more than four rolls within those business.

Let me tell you quite clearly and without a doubt you do NOT feel any more satisfied or that you have a stake or purpose nor do you necessarily have better terms and incomes than you do with jobs in the other sectors (construction and services)


Its also somewhat ironic how we are going to become the plastic doll and hats manufacturers and ship them to china for them to shuffle it up and down china. So what you expect is a roll reversal without looking at the reality that we are rich and they are poor

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'm not a socialist that believes in central planning

I would allow the market to decide which industies prosper and which fall : I've explained the basic mechanisms above

the clapton dance :j

Conrad

Cells - we grew prosperous when immigration was well managed and in the ten's of thousands per year.

All will be well with modest well managed immigration.

Conrad

cells wrote: »

Let me tell you quite clearly and without a doubt you do NOT feel any more satisfied or that you have a stake or purpose nor do you necessarily have better terms and incomes than you do with jobs in the other sectors (construction and services)

A mass of working people feel they have missed out on prosperity and been dumbed down to minimal pay transactional agents with little dignity.


Part of the Brexit mission is to rebalance the economy so it works better for everyone (as Mrs May said). These aren't abstract ideals. These are vital missions.


A lot of grown adults don't want to work for peanuts in a call centre or get paid by delivery for Amazon where a small elite collect all the rewards, they want to do something more real and satisfying and only through a flowering of enterprise is this possible.


You poo poo it all you like, but a few years from now look back and reflect on it once you see a healthier society not so based on mass imports of labour and tatt, all selling one another houses and Ebay carp. Frankly I'm sick of calls from Google enhancers, lets see a few more cider and cheese makers, Tigers tugging udders

mayonnaise

Yep Conrad you convinced me, I can clearly see the disaffected brexit voting masses turning to cheese production and Empire Beer brewing.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

All of these artisan trades you're talking about hire maybe 3-4 staff. You're trying to imply that the UK is made up of tiny companies by using the figures for what are by all means pretty large companies. Some of the companies you're talking about have multiple bespoke sites and multi-million GBP revenues, and are what we'd call normal companies.

What we need is a move away from the contrived scarcity that comes with an over reliance on large corporates, whereby a minority of capital holders, enjoy the fruits and a mass of rentiers (workers without capital) that merely transact the work for minimal terms and money


In other words a flowering of new enterprise, new market entrants to the benefit of society, giving more people more of a sense of a stake


Globalisation has delivered a paltry life for many based on mass importation of goods and labour


The income distribution system has broken down. Those relying on their labour for income are doing ever worse compared to those that own capital to earn 'rent' (dividends etc)


I see Brexit as the catalyst for this required change - much freer trade in the true sense of the word (not just tariff associated)

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

the clapton dance :j

you are seriously questioning this

I'm not a socialist that believes in central planning

I would allow the market to decide which industies prosper and which fall : I've explained the basic mechanisms above

Conrad

Remain voters are not, on the whole, passionate advocates of the European ideal and the European project. According to polling, around 10% of all voters in Britain really believe in the whole European project


Better off out, no benefits of being in the SM

gfplux

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-value-currency-status-brexit-dollar-euro-latest-a7360956.html

The pound might fall out of the International Monetary Fund’s elite basket of reserve currencies if the UK fails to secure full access to the single market as it prepares to negotiate its way out of the EU, US rating agency Standard & Poor’s has warned.

Standard & Poor’s stripped Britain of its AAA status immediately after the Brexit vote in June, saying the leave result would "weaken the predictability, stability, and effectiveness of policymaking in the UK".

Ravi Bhatia, S&P’s director of sovereign ratings for Britain, said a “hard Brexit” settlement could jeorpardise sterling position as an international reserve currency.

What will the Tiger do then?