If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

why are you wasting your great skills on here you should be a currency options trader

thanks for the idea but I decided that family property and some exposure to S&S provided a better overall quality of life return

cells

Conrad wrote: »

The point you have been missing is that SME's are very important to our economy, and this is why a flourishing of them aided by Brexit is VERY relevant. Your dismissing small producers as some sort of fringe minority irrelevance is well off the mark;


SMEs and the Economy:

• Small businesses accounted for 99.3% of all private sector businesses at the start of 2015 and 99.9% were small or medium-sized (SMEs).
• Total employment in SMEs was 15.6 million; 60% of all private sector employment in the UK.
• The combined annual turnover of SMEs was £1.8 trillion, 47% of all private sector turnover in the UK.

Nowhere did I say or suggest small business was trivial or worthless. I was just making light of your sometimes absurd views that larger business or service business are bad/dishonest while manufacturing jobs and artisan cheese and ice cream makers are the salt of the earth and that somehow Brexit Britain is going to see a decline of services jobs to be replaced by artisan ice cream and cheese makers. Tigers milking cows and making ice cream


I've stated before the UK economy is about 78% services, Germany about 74% services. Our business small medium or large will be ~78% services. The idea of the uk leaving its current economy and becoming a tiger economy going from 78% services to majority manufacturing honest jobs is just bonkers


Also your idea/s that the uk is in a bad shape today is also silly and bonkers just as silly and bonkers as a vote chaining the composition of the UK economy from what it is to a composition that exists nowhere else

Conrad

cells wrote: »

you are not making any sense at all

we are not going to become a nation of craft beer brewers and craft cheese makers. Dont you realise those things are only possible in a high wage economy that can afford to buy that sutff?

More importantly we are an economy that is circa 78% in services while germany is 74%. Some of that is a fundamental difference

So how do you expect a mass swing away from finance and mortgage brokers to cow milkers and ice cream makers?


Its just empty words, 78% services uk , 74% Germany with 1% of the difference accounted for by Agriculture (Germany has more land)

I disagree cells'y, us Tigers can milk cows and bring about a flourishing of SME's in the new globally oriented, confident, nimble economy.


The whole point is we had too many tozzers flogging mortgages and non value adding services, too much reliance on importing tatt, too much debt, too little passion and dignity, too little cheese and ale. I'd like to start an ale company 'EMPIRE BEER' - flogged in purveyors of Indian cuisine - to replace the ghastly fizzy remainer stuff

I see new HMS Britannia steaming into the jungle inlets of Java, the gorges of Vietnam and the hum of Hong Kong, every merchant wanting a chance to board Boris and cut deals

Herzlos

Sometimes I can't tell if you're a parody. If you are, it's been a good one.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

The point you have been missing is that SME's are very important to our economy, and this is why a flourishing of them aided by Brexit is VERY relevant. Your dismissing small producers as some sort of fringe minority irrelevance is well off the mark;


SMEs and the Economy:

• Small businesses accounted for 99.3% of all private sector businesses at the start of 2015 and 99.9% were small or medium-sized (SMEs).
• Total employment in SMEs was 15.6 million; 60% of all private sector employment in the UK.
• The combined annual turnover of SMEs was £1.8 trillion, 47% of all private sector turnover in the UK.

SME's cover workplaces with up to ~250 employees. So there's a lot of things in there that aren't artisan cheese producers.

padington

Has everyone seen the new pound coin ?

http://www.cassone-art.com/images/news/main/2013_BU_Ironside_50p_Reverse.jpg

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

when over the last year or so I have posted numerous times about the large trade deficit and how it was unsustainable, you were totally in denial as you saw it as being anti-EU.

You had the balls to put your money where your mouth is and sold all your shares. How's that working out for you?

buglawton

wotsthat wrote: »

Many think branding and advertising is something which only affects the behaviour of others. Brands exist because they add value.

In terms of brand consumers value Marmite over Tesco own-label by c60p per jar. Real money for a product you suggest is identical.

Tesco wouldn't be happy if everyone swapped to their own-label as they'll be making a lower margin on it and would generate less cash. Own brands aren't margin enhancing but are intended to give choice and, more importantly, to provide a point of difference from other retailers.

I guess it's one of those divisive questions, people either seem to love brands or hate them.

cells

Conrad wrote: »

I disagree cells'y, us Tigers can milk cows and bring about a flourishing of SME's in the new globally oriented, confident, nimble economy.

Its just empty statements. What you think will happen is impossible. This is the rough balance of the UK economy
Agriculture: 0.6%
Construction: 6.4%
Production: 14.6%
Services: 78.4% (2014 est.)

We cant increase net export agriculture for obvious reasons. If anything more free trade deals will see the UK agriculture sector decline (like you calling for cheap imports of sugar cane for tate&llye which will bankrupt ~4,000 sugar feet farmers and the 6 factories that process it)

We cant export construction again for obvious reasons

You seem to find services ugly and dishonest.

That leaves us with production, 14.6% but its a sector that is and has been in continual decline (not just in the UK but also Germany) as automation machines and software allow more for less.

The simple fact is your idea of a majority production exporting exporting is fantasy.

The whole point is we had too many tozzers flogging mortgages and non value adding services,

this is your opinion but if people are paying for these services they find value in them.

too much reliance on importing tatt

like what? a few Chinese toys that make up nil of our imports?

You may think an imported iphone is tatt and we should use landlines instead but the world doesnt workk that way. also irionic in that we are going to become a tat exporting powerhouse right?

too much debt

no

too little passion and dignity

oh brother

, too little cheese and ale. I'd like to start an ale company 'EMPIRE BEER' - flogged in purveyors of Indian cuisine - to replace the ghastly fizzy remainer stuff

go ahead

I see new HMS Britannia steaming into the jungle inlets of Java, the gorges of Vietnam and the hum of Hong Kong, every merchant wanting a chance to board Boris and cut deals

are we going to be selling them tat or are they going to be selling us tat?

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

SME's cover workplaces with up to ~250 employees. So there's a lot of things in there that aren't artisan cheese producers.

And.........?


Lets have a flourishing of SME's, engineers, gin makers, glass makers, artisan bakeries, farm shops, Tigers milking cows for cave cheese, in'it