If we vote for Brexit what happens

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U.K. Said to Direct Aid to Win Support for WTO Brexit Talks

Theresa May’s team plan to leverage aid to help businesses
Money will woo poorer countries before trade talks at WTO

The U.K. is planning to use its international aid budget of 12 billion pounds ($14.6 billion) to win friends among the world’s poorest countries ahead of crucial trade talks, according to two senior government figures who are familiar with the matter.
Financial help will go to countries that Britain will need on its side as Europe’s second-biggest economy seeks to re-establish trading rights at the World Trade Organization once it abandons the European Union, according to the officials, who asked not to be named because the proposal is confidential. Currently, the U.K.’s negotiations at the WTO are conducted by the EU.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-13/u-k-said-to-direct-aid-to-win-support-for-wto-brexit-talks

For those of you who think there is something called "soft" Brexit

EU President Donald Tusk stoked investor concerns with a speech in Brussels late Thursday in which he said the U.K. choice was “hard Brexit” or “no Brexit”

Hard Brexit it is then. BYE BYE DONALD.

cells

Conrad wrote: »

us Tigers can milk cows and bring about a flourishing of SME's

with 1% long term unemployment who is going to work in these cows milking tigers SMEs?

Are you hoping that existing big businesses go bankrupt to free up their workforce so you and they can start tiger milking businesses?

here is a list of some UK businesses please note which ones you want bankrupt to free up the people to work in your tiger milking and exporting factories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_private_companies_in_the_United_Kingdom

setmefree2

Polls have consistently shown that the National Front’s Le Pen is the strong favorite to win the most votes on the first ballot, as the French seek a leader to shake the country out of its economic malaise.

What’s the worst that could happen?

If the French center ground fails to hold out against Le Pen’s advance, the future of the European Union is potentially at stake.
The most reassuring scenario for investors would see the moderate front-runner Juppe see off Sarkozy to claim the center-right Republican nomination and then canter to a victory against Le Pen in May’s runoff as voters converge on the mainstream candidate.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-13/france-s-chaotic-election-could-put-the-future-of-europe-at-risk

Conrad

cells wrote: »

with 1% long term unemployment who is going to work in these cows milking tigers SMEs?

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We need more people doing satisfying jobs that feel they have a stake and a purpose, not so many non jobs with poor terms and incomes


Instead of shuffling around plastic dolls and party hats from China up the M1, they want to be engaged in production and export, all perfectly doable

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

with 1% long term unemployment who is going to work in these cows milking tigers SMEs?

Are you hoping that existing big businesses go bankrupt to free up their workforce so you and they can start tiger milking businesses?

here is a list of some UK businesses please note which ones you want bankrupt to free up the people to work in your tiger milking and exporting factories

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_private_companies_in_the_United_Kingdom

well it works like this
successful companies who are short of labour increase their wages.
This attracts workers from other businesses or new workers, or part imers, people on zero hours contracts etc
(for the recors pleae note that in the ral economy not everyone earns the 100,000 pa that all your friends seem to earn)

obviously other businesses will try you deal with their loss of employees in several ways
-increasing their salaries
-introducing efficiencies so rising productivity
-re-engining their business model , maybe dropping some products
-declining and maybe eventually stop trading.

its worked like this for 100s maybe thousands of years
its the way that we have become as rich as we are without always solving the problem by importing cheap labour to hold wages down

setmefree2

antrobus wrote: »

Well we did have a referendum back in 1975 that endorsed the decision.


Of course, back then all proper lefties where in the Leave camp. They wanted no truck with the Capitalist Club. They appear to be more confused these days.

Even in 1993 the vast majority of Labour MPs opposed Maastricht.

gfplux

cells wrote: »

Will the higher cost inflation not show up or lead to a recession or at least push GDP down as GDP growth is stated after inflation.

I suspect the news and fall in the pound is going to be a trigger for a lot of companies who wanted to raise prices bit weren't. Like the recent news of Unilever putting up prices 10% even on the products made in the uk

Tesco were very quick of the mark and were in control of the story before Unilever had a chance. Tesco by leading with a U.K. Product that then got all the headlines. I imagine the list of products being argued over ran into dozens if not hundreds but all the focus was on a British made product. Tesco good. Unilever bad.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

well it works like this
successful companies who are short of labour increase their wages.
This attracts workers from other businesses or new workers, or part imers, people on zero hours contracts etc
(for the recors pleae note that in the ral economy not everyone earns the 100,000 pa that all your friends seem to earn)

obviously other businesses will try you deal with their loss of employees in several ways
-increasing their salaries
-introducing efficiencies so rising productivity
-re-engining their business model , maybe dropping some products
-declining and maybe eventually stop trading.

its worked like this for 100s maybe thousands of years
its the way that we have become as rich as we are without always solving the problem by importing cheap labour to hold wages down

I am talking more fundamentally, we have a workforce of ~32 million we can have them work more hours or more productively.

If we want to create a new additional industry we either need to have more hours worked or to allocate some people away from an existing industry to the new industry. The existing industry either needs to become more productive or shrink


My actual question is which industries does Conrade, feel free to answer if you want to, feel should shrink so we can create tiger milking and exporting factories? Im not suggesting its impossible I wanted an answer so we could then compare.

So the answer might be, lets remove mortgage brokers and replace them with software. We then allocate the ex-mortgage brokers to become tiger milkers. By chance conrade is a mortgage broker so my question then would be if he feels he would be better off and happier milking tigers in a tiger milking factory than as a mortgage broker?



*replace tiger milking exporting factory with some sort of manufacturing and exporting factory.

well as someone who has worked in manufacturing and exporting too I think he is crazy if he feels switching service jobs to a manufacturing will allow us to be richer or happier. We are not going to create more jobs in manufacturing if anything they are going to continue to shrink brexit or not

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

And.........?

All of these artisan trades you're talking about hire maybe 3-4 staff. You're trying to imply that the UK is made up of tiny companies by using the figures for what are by all means pretty large companies. Some of the companies you're talking about have multiple bespoke sites and multi-million GBP revenues, and are what we'd call normal companies.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

I am talking more fundamentally, we have a workforce of ~32 million we can have them work more hours or more productively.

If we want to create a new additional industry we either need to have more hours worked or to allocate some people away from an existing industry to the new industry. The existing industry either needs to become more productive or shrink


My actual question is which industries does Conrade, feel free to answer if you want to, feel should shrink so we can create tiger milking and exporting factories? Im not suggesting its impossible I wanted an answer so we could then compare.

So the answer might be, lets remove mortgage brokers and replace them with software. We then allocate the ex-mortgage brokers to become tiger milkers. By chance conrade is a mortgage broker so my question then would be if he feels he would be better off and happier milking tigers in a tiger milking factory than as a mortgage broker?



*replace tiger milking exporting factory with some sort of manufacturing and exporting factory.

well as someone who has worked in manufacturing and exporting too I think he is crazy if he feels switching service jobs to a manufacturing will allow us to be richer or happier. We are not going to create more jobs in manufacturing if anything they are going to continue to shrink brexit or not

I'm not a socialist that believes in central planning

I would allow the market to decide which industies prosper and which fall : I've explained the basic mechanisms above