If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

and family sized houses for young people in the SE? Sorry, you'll need to read a long way down my priority list before you find that. Irrelevant in terms of considering whether to leave the EU IMO. Of course some might have different priorities and different ideas about just how much Brexit might affect house prices in Maidstone.

we indeed do have different priorities

setmefree2

WHEN Michael Gove, as justice secretary, was campaigning for Vote Leave ahead of the European Union referendum on June 23rd, he claimed that the people of Britain had “had enough of experts”, referring to the long list of countries and organisations that had warned that Britain would be better off remaining in the EU. New analysis from the British Election Study, polling more than 10,000 voters, has found that Mr Gove was partially right, at least among his supporters. Those who voted to Leave typically preferred the wisdom of ordinary people to that of experts.
With a victory for gut feelings over hard facts, the triumphant Leave side has told those who chose Remain to stop complaining about the Brexit result: their victory was slim, but it was a victory. However, those who opted to Leave have stronger feelings of remorse about their vote. Whereas only 1% of Remainers regret their choice, 6% of Leavers do (a further 4% are undecided, compared with 1% of Remain voters). That would have been enough to have changed the outcome of the referendum to a win for Remain. The theory that many Leavers voted as a protest against the political elite, as well as experts, gets more credibility from the study. Leaver remorse is strongest among those who didn’t expect their side to win: one in ten of them regret their vote.
One of the many significant obstacles facing the politicians who must now negotiate Britain’s new place in the world is trade. As part of the EU, Britain has trade agreements in place with more than 50 countries. New agreements cannot start being negotiated until two years after Article 50 is triggered (the legal means by which a country leaves the union). Striking new trade deals is a notoriously slow process and the terms eventually agreed are likely to be less favourable to Britain than those it enjoys through its membership of the EU, the biggest trading block in the world. With a complicated road to Brexit ahead, the “Bregret” among Leavers may grow as the realities of their choice become clearer.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6

Yamumuk

Brexit was largely a clarion call from those that are not benefiting from globalisation.

That is so vague a statement. I would hazard a guess that most people who voted Brexit do not know what globalization and is and what its depths mean to them on a daily basis. We all benefit through lower prices, that we soon will not be benefiting from. You cannot have cheap everything and all be employed in this country to make it. All cheap electronics is made in China and it could never be brought back. Do you know what the cost implications would be to set up tech manufacturing here ?


Brexit is a massive opportunity to bring about dignity in work through a process of re-industrialisation and exporting.

You are very simplistic aren't you. Please explain how this will happen.


It also happens to be far better for African farmers, that will be able to sell their output to a UK once free of the competition racket of the EU, that has for example caused the decimation of the Ghanaian Tomato growing sector thanks to heavily subsidised Italian tinned tomatoes undercutting them.

There will be greater transport and environmental costs to bear for that, how will the quality be ? Will it be fair trade, does the UK care about African workers rights and conditions like the E.U. has ensured for Italians ? Are you cool with consuming some pesticides that have been banned by the E.U. ? U.K. Agri goods are heavily subsidised when exported to E.U. countries, that is as long as it is short.

The most selfish are those that want the status quo, those big near monopolies and cartels that want everything as it is thanks very much.

So you think this will change ? Why blame the E.U. it is capitalism.


A little inflation is good for the economy, and devaluation is precisely what we've needed for so long. Buy British where you can - there are plenty of ways to do this, for example buying local farm shop produce - we all eat too much (see the recent BBC Diabetes campaign), so if buying British means a slight cost rise, just eat 10% fewer calories, win win

I would guess you never pop down the local farm and are in ASDA for a once off shop a week like all of us. Thanks for the dietary lecture and to buy British. Who goes to the farm ? You are a true joker.




MANY TOP CHEFS BUY IN SEASON BRITISH PRODUCE, SO DONT FALL FOR THIS LINE WE HAVE TO RELY ON IMPORTS - YES CERTAIN THINGS SUCH AS COFFEE - BUT WE CAN BUY MUCH OF FOOD REQUIRMENTS WITHOUT NEED FOR IMPORTS.

Top chefs preparing food for those who have £60 for a meal. That is most peoples shopping bill for the week. About to rise as well. Come back to this planet.


No one 'needs' Spanish clementine's every day of the year, in winter there are plenty of British fruit options - often from greenhouse sources.

What are you on about ?


The more we all support society, the more we will produce ourselves

Are you moving into farming by any chance or chatting your usual nonsense ?

ess0two

Yamumuk wrote: »

Brexit was largely a clarion call from those that are not benefiting from globalisation.

That is so vague a statement. I would hazard a guess that most people who voted Brexit do not know what globalization and is and what its depths mean to them on a daily basis. We all benefit through lower prices, that we soon will not be benefiting from. You cannot have cheap everything and all be employed in this country to make it. All cheap electronics is made in China and it could never be brought back. Do you know what the cost implications would be to set up tech manufacturing here ?


Brexit is a massive opportunity to bring about dignity in work through a process of re-industrialisation and exporting.

You are very simplistic aren't you. Please explain how this will happen.


It also happens to be far better for African farmers, that will be able to sell their output to a UK once free of the competition racket of the EU, that has for example caused the decimation of the Ghanaian Tomato growing sector thanks to heavily subsidised Italian tinned tomatoes undercutting them.

There will be greater transport and environmental costs to bear for that, how will the quality be ? Will it be fair trade, does the UK care about African workers rights and conditions like the E.U. has ensured for Italians ? Are you cool with consuming some pesticides that have been banned by the E.U. ? U.K. Agri goods are heavily subsidised when exported to E.U. countries, that is as long as it is short.

The most selfish are those that want the status quo, those big near monopolies and cartels that want everything as it is thanks very much.

So you think this will change ? Why blame the E.U. it is capitalism.


A little inflation is good for the economy, and devaluation is precisely what we've needed for so long. Buy British where you can - there are plenty of ways to do this, for example buying local farm shop produce - we all eat too much (see the recent BBC Diabetes campaign), so if buying British means a slight cost rise, just eat 10% fewer calories, win win

I would guess you never pop down the local farm and are in ASDA for a once off shop a week like all of us. Thanks for the dietary lecture and to buy British. Who goes to the farm ? You are a true joker.




MANY TOP CHEFS BUY IN SEASON BRITISH PRODUCE, SO DONT FALL FOR THIS LINE WE HAVE TO RELY ON IMPORTS - YES CERTAIN THINGS SUCH AS COFFEE - BUT WE CAN BUY MUCH OF FOOD REQUIRMENTS WITHOUT NEED FOR IMPORTS.

Top chefs preparing food for those who have £60 for a meal. That is most peoples shopping bill for the week. About to rise as well. Come back to this planet.


No one 'needs' Spanish clementine's every day of the year, in winter there are plenty of British fruit options - often from greenhouse sources.

What are you on about ?


The more we all support society, the more we will produce ourselves

Are you moving into farming by any chance or chatting your usual nonsense ?

16 posts all on this thread, gotta be Generali?

Conrad

On radio just now it was announced Sky are enjoying a profits surge due to transferring European profits back into Sterling.


Also a retail expert said people are wondering why when the pound was much higher against other currencies, Unilever did not pass on cuts to consumers

Rinoa

Hard Brexit confirmed.

http://www.cityam.com/251410/donald-tusk-tells-uk-its-hard-brexit-no-brexit

Thrugelmir

Yamumuk wrote: »

That is so vague a statement. I would hazard a guess that most people who voted Brexit do not know what globalization and is and what its depths mean to them on a daily basis.

Over the past 20 years many people have experienced globalisation first hand in their daily lives. May have not know what it was but are feeling the effects. Minimal pay rises, loss of employment etc. That's the backlash that's being seen across the Western world. The divide has grown increasingly wide. Between the haves and have nots. With many haves not really warranting the income they are receiving. All people want is a fairer more equitable society.

Fella

Hollande is massively unpopular & 12/1 to be re-elected in 2017. Not sure his opinion counts for much.

Thrugelmir

Fella wrote: »

Hollande is massively unpopular & 12/1 to be re-elected in 2017. Not sure his opinion counts for much.

Nor Merkels.

gazapc

ruggedtoast wrote: »

And there will be a price. A completely avoidable price..

Completely avoidable. If only Heath hadn't taken us into to the rotten structure in the first place.