If we vote for Brexit what happens

cells

Conrad wrote: »

Why are you being critical of small and medium artisan producers? There's more to life than importing Bangladesh underpants and selling them.

These small firms we ought to be very proud of.

What a curious sense of worthiness you seem to have. An economy based on cutting one another's hair, importing Chinese knickers and selling one another houses.

Have you been to France? Are you this dismissive of French dairy produce, bakers, vineyards and ham producers?

From Melton Mowbray pies to Cornish ice-cream, lets have more of this, more exports, and not so much selling one another houses and insecure Amzon drivers delivering tat from China;

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Visiting a chilli festival inspired chef Russell Andrews to start experimenting with his own sauces. Realising that many products on the market either had very little flavour and too much heat, or bags of flavour and no heat, he set out to make something with both. He works closely with other British producers, buying his chillies from Bedford, Dorset and Wiltshire and has support from many of the ‘chilli heads’ in what he describes as the ‘close-knit chilli community’…

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you are not making any sense at all

we are not going to become a nation of craft beer brewers and craft cheese makers. Dont you realise those things are only possible in a high wage economy that can afford to buy that sutff?

More importantly we are an economy that is circa 78% in services while germany is 74%. Some of that is a fundamental difference

So how do you expect a mass swing away from finance and mortgage brokers to cow milkers and ice cream makers?


Its just empty words, 78% services uk , 74% Germany with 1% of the difference accounted for by Agriculture (Germany has more land)

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

A fall in the pound is an inevitable consequence of a large current account trade deficit, as funding it depends upon ever increasing foreign borrowing and sales of UK held assets.
Only the timing and the scale of the fall was at issue.
I fully accept that living on ever more borrowing and asset sales makes us temporarially richer but a day of reckoning must come.

obviously there is no pain whilst you are funding your inflated standard of living by borrowing: the pain occurs when it has to stop.

How many years will the peoples of the UK enjoyed an elevated standard of living before the inevitable pain? 10 years? 50 years? 200 years?

Or is it just a bad things will happen; sometime type prediction?

cells

Herzlos wrote: »

Because they largely only exist because people have money to spend on them, due to the success of the economy. There's no way artisan toastie, mashed potato or breakfast cereal shops would be able to survive the recession.

Sure, we should have more of them, but post-Brexit Britain will need more than artisanal goods to keep it going if trade with Europe suffers.

Ideally we could grow/produce all of our own raw materials so we don't rely in imports, but we don't have the climate or space for most of it. Like cotton, cocoa, bananas and so on.

exactly, logically we should be importing all our sugar from places like Brazil and telling the ~4,000 uk sugar beet farmers and the 6 factories that process them into sugar that they will lose their jobs (as tate&lyle wants and conrad was cheering until a few days ago). Dont worry maybe they will all become artisan toast toasters for Conrad (who probably doesn't buy much of that stuff) but wait conrad is going to be out of his job soon as we get rid of the runtier middlemen like the mortgage brokers.....

maybe he will make craft cheeses and start barter trading for craft beers in an honest work for honest people tiger in the west

Herzlos

Also, we're well aware that exporters are doing quite well, because of the relative price drop. Have you got a good news story about anyone other than exporters?
Has anything changed with imports?

cells

wotsthat wrote: »

How many years will the peoples of the UK enjoyed an elevated standard of living before the inevitable pain? 10 years? 50 years? 200 years?

Or is it just a bad things will happen; sometime type prediction?

economically and technologically predicting more than 30 years out is futile if someting is sustainable for that time frame it is sustainable and selling overpriced London homes to rich Arabs and Russians and Americans was sustainable and was keeping out standard of living higher than it otherwise would be

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

How many years will the peoples of the UK enjoyed an elevated standard of living before the inevitable pain? 10 years? 50 years? 200 years?

Or is it just a bad things will happen; sometime type prediction?

already starting but will get a lot worse once the Chinese bubble is pricked and the flow of yuan starts drying up.

you of course will balme it on brexit and the thread posed by trading with black africa on an equal basis with the EU

I'm sure you believe boom and bust has been abolished by that nice Mr Brown but I doubt that : in the bad times to come a nice steady stream of foreign dividends would have come in handy

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

already starting but will get a lot worse once the Chinese bubble is pricked and the flow of yuan starts drying up.

you of course will balme it on brexit and the thread posed by trading with black africa on an equal basis with the EU

I'm sure you believe boom and bust has been abolished by that nice Mr Brown but I doubt that : in the bad times to come a nice steady stream of foreign dividends would have come in handy

China is not a bubble people have been calling it such for a decade while its nominal GDP has gone from ~$2T to ~$10T

China will go to ~$20T by 2025 which means nominal wealth and incomes will at least double again.

The big story for the world and more so for the UK is going to be India circa 2020-2050 at which point its going to be as china was in 2005-2035

London can continue as an expensive global city selling flats to rich foreigners for £5m a go to the benefit of the whole uk for at least the next two generations. For some reason you dont want that and feel we need to have a lower standard of life

Rinoa

The Dutch investment banking giant ING is moving as many as 60 trading jobs to London from both Amsterdam and Brussels. The €44 billion firm is cutting 11% of its global workforce and chose London, the financial capital of the world, as the destination for a chunk of its European workforce. This is all despite George Osborne claiming financial services would be hit and 400,000 service sector jobs would be at risk if we voted to leave.

http://order-order.com/2016/10/13/ing-moves-jobs-to-britain/

cells

Rinoa wrote: »

http://order-order.com/2016/10/13/ing-moves-jobs-to-britain/

boooo hisssssss

those are rentier jobs we dont need or want them, we will become a tiger that milks cows and sells it as artisan cheese to the french that is what the brexit vote was all about

HornetSaver

Rinoa wrote: »

http://order-order.com/2016/10/13/ing-moves-jobs-to-britain/

Some people would celebrate finding a fiver after finding out that their house has collapsed and their insurance won't cover it.

I'm not one of them.