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Child Benefit & Child Maintenance

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  • pigpen
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    My daughter gets more at uni and the child related income is separate.. so just comparing the 2 very different treatments, it is almost like being punished for not being at uni.. when it isn't suitable for everyone.. it smarts of inequality, like they are suggesting a college qualification is in some way less valid or less worthy than a uni course.. it just seems unfair for our young people who cannot go to uni for whatever reason.
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  • missbiggles1
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    pigpen wrote: »
    then the order is surpassed by the remit of the child maintenance service (new version of CSA) because it is no long valid.. in 2006 it could only go up to 18 as education was unknown beyond that point.

    Level 3 there should be no fees, and CB payable to 20th birthday.. what they are supposed to do then is anybodys guess!! My son is 20 on Friday doing full time college at level 3 and all money stops on Friday for him.. but he isn't eligible to claim anything at all .. so we go from about £200 a week to nothing overnight.. it is ridiculous.. we cant afford to eat as it is.

    As this person has already been to university s/he presumably already has a level 3 qualification, so fees will be payable.
  • cbrown372
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    pigpen wrote: »
    then the order is surpassed by the remit of the child maintenance service (new version of CSA) because it is no long valid.. in 2006 it could only go up to 18 as education was unknown beyond that point.

    Level 3 there should be no fees, and CB payable to 20th birthday.. what they are supposed to do then is anybodys guess!! My son is 20 on Friday doing full time college at level 3 and all money stops on Friday for him.. but he isn't eligible to claim anything at all .. so we go from about £200 a week to nothing overnight.. it is ridiculous.. we cant afford to eat as it is.

    Are you saying that for your large family to eat you are dependant on this one son remaining in education and getting £200 a week?
    Its not that we have more patience as we grow older, its just that we're too tired to care about all the pointless drama ;)
  • pigpen
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    As this person has already been to university s/he presumably already has a level 3 qualification, so fees will be payable.


    that's not necessarily the case either. My OH has a degree and is non-fee paying due to income on a lower level course.. He is obviously there as a mature student which is also different.. I think they actually make up the rules as they go along, there never seems to be any consistency.
    I paid for my college courses despite not being in employment or having higher level qualifications, I never got any assistance for any of them whether full or part time.
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  • missbiggles1
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    pigpen wrote: »
    My daughter gets more at uni and the child related income is separate.. so just comparing the 2 very different treatments, it is almost like being punished for not being at uni.. when it isn't suitable for everyone.. it smarts of inequality, like they are suggesting a college qualification is in some way less valid or less worthy than a uni course.. it just seems unfair for our young people who cannot go to uni for whatever reason.

    Further education is intended to be undertaken between the ages of 16 and 19, while living at home, supported by parents with the help (if necessary) of child related benefits.

    Higher education is for those of 18 upwards (adults) so funding is available so they can support themselves (unless their parents are comfortable enough to help.
  • pigpen
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    cbrown372 wrote: »
    Are you saying that for your large family to eat you are dependant on this one son remaining in education and getting £200 a week?


    I'm saying I want him to finish his course and no one knows what support he can receive financially to enable him to do that.. if we just had him I would still want him to finish his course and have some income.. they don't stop eating on their 20th birthday!
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  • tomtontom
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    pigpen wrote: »
    I'm saying I want him to finish his course and no one knows what support he can receive financially to enable him to do that.. if we just had him I would still want him to finish his course and have some income.. they don't stop eating on their 20th birthday!

    Is this child no 2? If so could you not shave a little off the benefits for the 7 or 8 younger children so he can have some "income"?
  • borkid
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    pigpen wrote: »
    and DLA and Carers/attendance allowance and council tax benefit and goodness knows what else.. this is why it was suggested he apply for ESA by the customer services lady at DWP.
    No she doesn't claim DLA because she finds the process too detrimental to her health. She only just managed to fill in the form to claim ESA over several weeks a little at a time.She pays reduced council tax I think £28 per month instead of £100+ . She does get free prescription and dental and eye check ups. That is all she claims for.

    She is lucky in that she is buying her own house , she got the mortgage when working full time, and she has a lodger so that helps. She is very independant and proud and it took 2 years before contacting the council for a loan to get replacement windows, the old frames were rotten.

    I know some people on here think that the chronically ill are out to get whatever they can but there are quite a few who aren't and have a lot of pride and don't want to be dependant on others but life has dealt them a raw deal healthwise.
  • pigpen
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    tomtontom wrote: »
    Is this child no 2? If so could you not shave a little off the benefits for the 7 or 8 younger children so he can have some "income"?


    no, its not..

    and what would I use to feed and clothe them and pay bills and everything else??

    You're very lucky that you would not miss such a large percentage of your income if it were to disappear.


    Borkid.. everyone who is ill is treated as a fraud and scrounger.. which is why this son refuses to claim even though he is probably eligible.
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  • tomtontom
    tomtontom Posts: 7,929 Forumite
    pigpen wrote: »
    no, its not..

    and what would I use to feed and clothe them and pay bills and everything else??

    You're very lucky that you would not miss such a large percentage of your income if it were to disappear.


    Borkid.. everyone who is ill is treated as a fraud and scrounger.. which is why this son refuses to claim even though he is probably eligible.

    Economies of scale?

    If you can't survive on your extremely generous benefit income then perhaps the Debtfree Wannabe board would be helpful to you? They'll be able to help you budget within your means.
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