Child Benefit & Child Maintenance

pigpen

the actual bursaries from the universities are usually about £1000. They are here too unless you fit onto one of their other schemes or whatever.. I know for one of hers DD1 had to do a summer school thing for 2 weeks before enrolment.. but it was worth it for the extra funding and my sister had to do a presentation to some Law fund or other.

LilElvis

pigpen wrote: »

Lilelvis.. name calling is a sure sign you have nothing constructive to add.

What names have I called you? Please cite. I could think of a few, but I haven't used them.

ecgirl07

pigpen wrote: »

Well we have way less coming in than the £18K+ the combined 3 adults pay in..

The tax they pay in is to cover more than your benefits and tax credits, if you want to make that argument. It costs 20k plus for a state education, the tax goes towards that, some may argue on this point alone 11x20k is more than has been paid in, not to mention healthcare etc that the taxes pay for and benefit your family.

LilElvis

pigpen wrote: »

I don't??? ... crap... I hadn't realised.. what have I been doing the last several months then *confused*

Like I said previously.. people shouldn't make assumptions.

I don't have medical care (or lack of) during pregnancies. I usually have 2 scans and a booking visit.. anything extra is forced onto me.. but I haven't been to see the GP in the last 6 years either... swings and roundabouts

To be followed by the cost of the birth, the nursery care, child benefits, continuing health care, education costs, child tax benefits ...... and then they repeat the example they have been set by their parents.

pigpen

and my children aren't, in your opinion, acceptable to receive an education or healthcare either because there are more than 2 (or whatever number you make up) of them.. ?? This is getting more surreal by the minute... there are over 11,000,000 children in the UK.. 5.2 million have parents claiming tax credits, 3.7m live in poverty, 1.7m in severe poverty... many of those families will have had their children while working and subsequently lost their job, or fled domestic violence, or become ill.. you do what you must, what you can and what you are able having people who have never experienced it judge the parents because of the now and today is just inhumane!

If this is the general mentality of the country no wonder we're all screwed! ..If you want to get super-silly.. My grandparents paid for your education, my children will pay for your grandchildrens education.. Have you ever heard of 'paying it forward' ?? I can't give my children much but I hope by enabling them to have a decent education I can give them a decent grounding for the future but it looks likely my son will have to leave halfway through the year because we cant afford for him to finish.. it's like the 1800's!


And what we pay benefits your family.. it all really goes in a big pot and is shared out.. I don't begrudge you one single penny.. I am glad we can have a 'free' education and healthcare regardless of income or age.. and at least in that respect we are all mostly equal.. maybe a lot less in the pot used to invade other countries and kill their people would be nice.

pigpen

LilElvis wrote: »

To be followed by the cost of the birth, the nursery care, child benefits, continuing health care, education costs, child tax benefits ...... and then they repeat the example they have been set by their parents.

at least they are nice people as shown by their parents.. well.. me, the older ones 'dad' is a total cacophony of rude words.. nice will take you many places. Love costs nothing.

And I think you will find everyone else in the country is eligible for those things too, they are not exclusive to me, though I'm rather flattered you think they are!

LilElvis

pigpen wrote: »

and my children aren't, in your opinion, acceptable to receive an education or healthcare either because there are more than 2 (or whatever number you make up) of them.. ?? This is getting more surreal by the minute... there are over 11,000,000 children in the UK.. 5.2 million have parents claiming tax credits, 3.7m live in poverty, 1.7m in severe poverty... many of those families will have had their children while working and subsequently lost their job, or fled domestic violence, or become ill.. you do what you must, what you can and what you are able having people who have never experienced it judge the parents because of the now and today is just inhumane!

If this is the general mentality of the country no wonder we're all screwed! ..If you want to get super-silly.. My grandparents paid for your education, my children will pay for your grandchildrens education.. Have you ever heard of 'paying it forward' ?? I can't give my children much but I hope by enabling them to have a decent education I can give them a decent grounding for the future but it looks likely my son will have to leave halfway through the year because we cant afford for him to finish.. it's like the 1800's!


And what we pay benefits your family.. it all really goes in a big pot and is shared out.. I don't begrudge you one single penny.. I am glad we can have a 'free' education and healthcare regardless of income or age.. and at least in that respect we are all mostly equal.. maybe a lot less in the pot used to invade other countries and kill their people would be nice.

You don't have to begrudge me a single penny, because you haven't paid one towards my family - unlike yours we pay more than we take. I also don't begrudge a single penny that goes from our household to those who, due to circumstances outside their control, need assistance. I do begrudge paying for people who continue to produce children when they can't afford to feed the ones they already have, let alone the next welfare recipient in their womb.

LilElvis

pigpen wrote: »

at least they are nice people as shown by their parents.. well.. me, the older ones 'dad' is a total cacophony of rude words.. nice will take you many places. Love costs nothing.

And I think you will find everyone else in the country is eligible for those things too, they are not exclusive to me, though I'm rather flattered you think they are!

Love costs nothing - it's what you are supposed to provide for a child. Along with food, a home, heat - but they cost money. In your family's case it is someone else's money.

swingaloo

Begs the question, why have more children if you cant afford them. No one knows what their situation will be like 5 years from today but it does not make them blindly go on producing children who are sure to have a disadvantaged upbringing.

In terms of the 'child' your post was about- If they cannot do any kind of job, shop work etc then why are they going for further education which you clearly cannot afford. What will they do when the education ends? Will they miraculously be able to work then?

When my son left education he had to go and find a job, there was no question that we could afford for him to carry on further education. If you cant afford it then dont do it- that includes going to college and getting pregnant!

I was brought up in a time when if you could not afford children you didnt produce them, there were no child tax credits, childcare benefits etc. You either supported what you produced or didnt produce. It did not mean that children lived in poverty, it meant you didnt have children and then subject them to a life of poverty. The choice is yours but to have children that you know will live in poverty is wrong. Funny how children are living in poverty now there are all the handouts and benefits whereas before the state started paying people to produce children everyone managed.

I have every sympathy for your children, they do not stand a chance, for a child to grow up knowing his mother cant put food on the table is shocking. Its much easier to feed 3 or 4 than it is to feed 10!

tomtontom

pigpen wrote: »

extremely generous.. pmsl.. yeah.. ok.. you live on which planet exactly??

How much do I get in your twisted mind??

I'm not the one trying to twist things here am I? You're happy to talk about how much your benefits are being cut but fail to mention how much you actually receive (is it seven or eight qualifying children?). Disingenuous, some might say?