Winter Tyres

bigjl

loskie wrote: »

The Nokian Weatherproofs are pretty good. Very wet round here in SW Scotland.Been on since early Dec about 1000m on I am very pleased with them. 205/55 r16 v direct from Nordic Tyres (the UK importer) for £68 each.

That is why I have them on my shortlist

I don't want to have two sets of wheels on a temporary car like the Berlingo. And I don't want to have the mix and match tyres that are on there.

But sometimes you have other bills to pay.

And that is why I have delayed changing tyres.

Luckily for me the winter has been mild in London.

As I have said it will be interesting to see how they compare through standing water compared to UltraGrip8's as I was extremely impressed by how they dealt with standing water.

BykerSands

neilmcl wrote: »

:wall:

You just don't get it do you, or deliberately being argumentative, one of the two.

Winter tyres are a specialist tyre, plain and simple. They are designed specifically to come into their own in cold, ice and snow conditions in temperatures below 7 degrees. They are not wet weather specialist tyres!

Yes, billions have been spent in tyre R&D, and a lot of that has been spent on making standard (summer) tyres the best all round for wet and dry conditions. Forget the independent tests, all the manufacturers will state that there standard tyres offer better wet weather performance in normal conditions than there winter equivalents.

I'm afraid you're in a minority of one on this.

He's so blinkered he's completely missed the below 7 degree part.

bigjl

neilmcl wrote: »

:wall:

You just don't get it do you, or deliberately being argumentative, one of the two.

Winter tyres are a specialist tyre, plain and simple. They are designed specifically to come into their own in cold, ice and snow conditions in temperatures below 7 degrees. They are not wet weather specialist tyres!

Yes, billions have been spent in tyre R&D, and a lot of that has been spent on making standard (summer) tyres the best all round for wet and dry conditions. Forget the independent tests, all the manufacturers will state that there standard tyres offer better wet weather performance in normal conditions than there winter equivalents.

I'm afraid you're in a minority of one on this.

So I imagined the UltraGrip 8's water displacing capabilities.

That's fine.

bigjl

loskie wrote: »

The Kleber Krispalps I had were pretty poor in the wet. Accelerating off roundabouts it was easy to set the TC Light flashing. With the Nokians it's almost impossible.
Both on the same car my V50 2.0D.
There are good and bad winter tyres as there are summers. Avon Ice tourings I found poor too, Vredestein Snowtrac good as were the Quatrac all seasons too.

Interesting info.

My Goodyear UltraGrip 8's where on a V50.

Only the S spec so 205/55/16.

I never had any problems with TC light flashing even when driving fairly fast in the dry or wet, I left them on into the Summer aswell as I had the use of a second car at the time though did use the car occasionally during the summer and apart from a slightly softer edge to the handling I had no issues.

If the Weatherproof is in any way comparable to those Goodyear's then they will do the job for me.

I shall report back, probably with a separate thread with my findings.

I found the Michelin Alpin to be very good on the work vehicles back in winter 09. They were the older A3 I think. They were also left on during the summer due to most of the summer wheels and tyres going missing.

neilmcl

bigjl wrote: »

So I imagined the UltraGrip 8's water displacing capabilities.

That's fine.

I think you're imagining you know better than the tyre manufacturers, specialist independent testing bodies etc.

bigjl

neilmcl wrote: »

I think you're imagining you know better than the tyre manufacturers, specialist independent testing bodies etc.

When did I say that?

I know when a tyre goes through standing water better than another.

I don't need an online resource for that.

force_ten

bigjl wrote: »

I know when a tyre goes through standing water better than another.

I don't need an online resource for that.

A tyre's ability to splash through puddles is not the be all and end all, there is a lot more to it than that, but for some reason that is the one thing that you seem to be basing your whole debate on

bigjl

force_ten wrote: »

A tyre's ability to splash through puddles is not the be all and end all, there is a lot more to it than that, but for some reason that is the one thing that you seem to be basing your whole debate on

Your right.

Displacing water is not in any way relevant to a tyres wet weather performance.

What made me think otherwise.

Thanks for your insight into how water has nothing to do with driving in the wet.

I was looking at it all wrong.

neilmcl

bigjl wrote: »

When did I say that?

I know when a tyre goes through standing water better than another.

I don't need an online resource for that.

So I ask again, with all your extensive research in winter tyre wet weather abilities and contradicting every other authority are you still standing by your overriding statement that "winter tyres are much better in the wet than summer tyres."?

A simple yes or no will suffice?

Alias_Omega

I drive with "Summer Tyres" fitted to the car all year round.

If I didn't have 18" wheels, id probably consider it...but the excess is less than 2 tyres.