Winter Tyres

BykerSands

force_ten wrote: »

the fact that i posted



would suggest I know that you didn't put them on the car, you seem to think you have every base covered when it comes to tyres and how good or bad they are

perhaps you should now go and read up on the Law of Holes

When you find yourself in a hole the first thing to do is stop digging!, when you stop digging you stop further descent into your hole but getting out is another matter

Well said. 👍👍👍👍👍

bigjl

neilmcl wrote: »

Which statement is that.

Surely not the "winter tyres are much better in the wet than summer tyres." one, despite supported evidence to the contrary.

Evidence?

Or a wet weather braking test that came into force 2 years after I bought my UltraGrip8's?

Does that test rate resistance to aquaplaning?

Let's be honest how accurate are the EU fuel economy "tests"

Here is what you can do.

Put a set of normal tyres (Dunlop BluResponse would be a good choice) on your car and drive through some standing water at the edge of the road (country A road works best)

Then go back to the garage and for a set of UltraGrip8 tyres and drive through the same standing water.

So you really believe that the summer tread pattern will be better at cutting through the standing water?

Despite the V thread pattern being better at displacing water, not forgetting the additional siping of the Winter tyre.

So why do Winter tyres and All Season even exist if they are worse in poor weather?

Why do tyre manufacturers spend billions on R&D when it is obvious that all tyres are the same and the tread pattern should be a set of straight lines rather than designed to displace water.

BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

Evidence?

Or a wet weather braking test that came into force 2 years after I bought my UltraGrip8's?

Does that test rate resistance to aquaplaning?

Let's be honest how accurate are the EU fuel economy "tests"

Here is what you can do.

Put a set of normal tyres (Dunlop BluResponse would be a good choice) on your car and drive through some standing water at the edge of the road (country A road works best)

Then go back to the garage and for a set of UltraGrip8 tyres and drive through the same standing water.

So you really believe that the summer tread pattern will be better at cutting through the standing water?

Despite the V thread pattern being better at displacing water, not forgetting the additional siping of the Winter tyre.

So why do Winter tyres and All Season even exist if they are worse in poor weather?

Why do tyre manufacturers spend billions on R&D when it is obvious that all tyres are the same and the tread pattern should be a set of straight lines rather than designed to displace water.

bigjl

force_ten wrote: »

the fact that i posted



would suggest I know that you didn't put them on the car, you seem to think you have every base covered when it comes to tyres and how good or bad they are

perhaps you should now go and read up on the Law of Holes

When you find yourself in a hole the first thing to do is stop digging!, when you stop digging you stop further descent into your hole but getting out is another matter

I am not in a hole.

What context was the second post made in?

That is what you don't know isn't it.

It wasn't made in the context of a debate on Winter tyres was it?

You have fallen into the hole that has been getting designed and built over several days by BykerSands.

He has taken two completely unrelated posts and quoted them out of context to get exactly the react you have shown. Just because a tyre is being mentioned in both does not make them related or relevant to each other.

Without context a statement is meaningless.

Why not find the thread the other post was posted in. How long did BykerSands sit reading all my other posts to find that one from a week or more previously?

Once you have done that you will see the context of my reply.

Until you have done that then you are just feeding the BykerSands troll

He has been stalking me for a few days now, replying to all my posts, trying to start mud slinging matches.

All from somebody that has been on the forum a month?

Is that normal to you?

Let's not forget that when he was accused of having multiple sign ins two of the other have suddenly stopped posting and BS has been in full flow.

loskie

The Nokian Weatherproofs are pretty good. Very wet round here in SW Scotland.Been on since early Dec about 1000m on I am very pleased with them. 205/55 r16 v direct from Nordic Tyres (the UK importer) for £68 each.

BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

I am not in a hole.

What context was the second post made in?

That is what you don't know isn't it.

It wasn't made in the context of a debate on Winter tyres was it?

You have fallen into the hole that has been getting designed and built over several days by BykerSands.

He has taken two completely unrelated posts and quoted them out of context to get exactly the react you have shown. Just because a tyre is being mentioned in both does not make them related or relevant to each other.

Without context a statement is meaningless.

Why not find the thread the other post was posted in. How long did BykerSands sit reading all my other posts to find that one from a week or more previously?

Once you have done that you will see the context of my reply.

Until you have done that then you are just feeding the BykerSands troll

He has been stalking me for a few days now, replying to all my posts, trying to start mud slinging matches.

All from somebody that has been on the forum a month?

Is that normal to you?

Let's not forget that when he was accused of having multiple sign ins two of the other have suddenly stopped posting and BS has been in full flow.

I think you've lost the plot, by pretending to ignore things.

This whole debate has been about your comment stating winter tyres out perform summer tyres in the wet. Several members have provided evidence to show they don't. Only one person you has constantly claimed they do. What have you backed it up with? Just your opinion.

No matter how many times you say it. It won't make you right.

bigjl

neilmcl wrote: »

Which statement is that.

Surely not the "winter tyres are much better in the wet than summer tyres." one, despite supported evidence to the contrary.

I thought it was fairly obvious but due to the constant input of BS trying to disrupt the forum I shall explain.

I stated that I wouldn't have fitted C rated Winter tyres when I fitted my UltraGrip8's nearly 5 years ago.

That was in reply to force ten (I think) indicating that the tyre rating changed in 2012, which would explain why I was sure they were an A or B in the wet (I suspect that rating might have been done by Goodyear perhaps?)
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The comment was specifically related to that historical event, fitting those tyre, nothing to do with my current Berlingo.

BykerSands has been quoting unrelated posts to create confusion which he has done quite successfully.

When it was pointed out that I have a mixed bag of average tyres at best on the Berlingo this was used to bring my other statements into doubt.

My reply was to state that I never fitted the tyres to the Berlingo.

So my historical statement still stands.

To sum up.

I would not have fitted C rated Winter tyres back in 2010 (roughly it might have been 09). The fact that the UltraGrip8 now sits in C for wet grip is due to the change in the way tyres are rated, as force ten said 2012.

But now we are just running round in circles thanks to BykerSands quoting out of context posts.i have no issue with people putting me on Ignore if they don't like my opinion.

I don't go out of my way reading through forum members posts trying to find one I can quote out of context to cause confusion and ruin the forum and disrupt threads.

If my opinion is not wanted then put me on Ignore.

It's all good.

Won't be changing my sign in name and having multiple sign ins due to being banned.

But you have to ask the question.

Is it a coincidence that somebody that has outed more than a few DM trolling threads is now being targeted by a newly signed up member?

force_ten

bigjl wrote: »

I am not in a hole.

What context was the second post made in?

That is what you don't know isn't it.

It wasn't made in the context of a debate on Winter tyres was it?

my first post on this thread was a direct response to your quote saying

winter tyres are much better in the wet than summer tyres.

I posted a factual video that showed at 10 degrees ambient the summer tyres stopped 8 meters shorter than the winter tyres, you poo pooed that saying straight line braking isn't important, and the only thing that mattered was a tyres ability to splash through puddles at the side of the road

if i am doing 70MPH on the motorway and somthing happens ahead of me i want my straight line braking capabilities to be as good as possible, so they may not be important to you but they are to me

I have not fallen into anybodys trap and don't care what other people are posting on the board, all i care about is the fact that you will not accept fact and think your experience with one set of tyres holds more water than the articles that have published by some very well respected motoring magazines

loskie

The Kleber Krispalps I had were pretty poor in the wet. Accelerating off roundabouts it was easy to set the TC Light flashing. With the Nokians it's almost impossible.
Both on the same car my V50 2.0D.
There are good and bad winter tyres as there are summers. Avon Ice tourings I found poor too, Vredestein Snowtrac good as were the Quatrac all seasons too.

neilmcl

bigjl wrote: »

So why do Winter tyres and All Season even exist if they are worse in poor weather?

Why do tyre manufacturers spend billions on R&D when it is obvious that all tyres are the same and the tread pattern should be a set of straight lines rather than designed to displace water.

:wall:

You just don't get it do you, or deliberately being argumentative, one of the two.

Winter tyres are a specialist tyre, plain and simple. They are designed specifically to come into their own in cold, ice and snow conditions in temperatures below 7 degrees. They are not wet weather specialist tyres!

Yes, billions have been spent in tyre R&D, and a lot of that has been spent on making standard (summer) tyres the best all round for wet and dry conditions. Forget the independent tests, all the manufacturers will state that there standard tyres offer better wet weather performance in normal conditions than there winter equivalents.

I'm afraid you're in a minority of one on this.