Winter Tyres

force_ten

bigjl wrote: »

if you can't see how the main point of my post was to show that an A Rated Summer tyre was not as good in the wet as a C rated Winter (though I still maintain it was an A or B when I bought them, why the change I don't know, or care, I would have bought a different tyre if they were a C) then I have nothing more to add.

here is some info re the EU tyre labeling that we all now quote

Tyre labelling for passenger cars and light trucks will take effect from 1 November 2012 under European Regulation (EC) No. 1222/2009.
This new regulation will bring a major advance in consumer information on tyre safety (wet braking) and the tyre’s impact on the environment (rolling resistance and external noise).

1st november 2012, so three years and one month ago when this labeling took effect

tyres may have carried some form of rating prior to this date but it will not be the universally used tyre rating that we see now


www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Auto-Express-Winter-Tyre-Test

that is the auto express winter tyre tests that i looked at when i bought my dunlop winter tyres and it shows the goodyears in second place to the contis and my C rated dunlops on a lowly third place

my first choice would have been the conti winter contact 850 but i couldn't get them for love nor money

I could get the goodyears and the dunlops, i got four dunlops for around £100 cheaper than i could get the goodyears

so i went for the dunlops as it is a well respected tyre that did well in the test despite the fact that the EU only saw fit to give it a C rating for wet grip which is exactly the same rating as the goodyears

bigjl

force_ten wrote: »

here is some info re the EU tyre labeling that we all now quote



1st november 2012, so three years and one month ago when this labeling took effect

tyres may have carried some form of rating prior to this date but it will not be the universally used tyre rating that we see now


www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Auto-Express-Winter-Tyre-Test

that is the auto express winter tyre tests that i looked at when i bought my dunlop winter tyres and it shows the goodyears in second place to the contis and my C rated dunlops on a lowly third place

my first choice would have been the conti winter contact 850 but i couldn't get them for love nor money

I could get the goodyears and the dunlops, i got four dunlops for around £100 cheaper than i could get the goodyears

so i went for the dunlops as it is a well respected tyre that did well in the test despite the fact that the EU only saw fit to give it a C rating for wet grip which is exactly the same rating as the goodyears

The makes sense as I wouldn't have bought C rated Winters.

Thanks for the extra detail.

My tyres where indeed fitted over 3 1/2 years ago.

Very good tyres. That lasted better than I expected.

I thought the ratings where the same as those nowadays.

force_ten

bigjl wrote: »

The makes sense as I wouldn't have bought C rated Winters.

Thanks for the extra detail.

My tyres where indeed fitted over 3 1/2 years ago.

Very good tyres. That lasted better than I expected.

I thought the ratings where the same as those nowadays.

you say that you wouldn't buy tyres that are C rated for wet grip but in one of your previous posts you said

My Berlingo has two unnamed ditch finders on it and they don't slide about in the wet and activate the ABS at the slightest hint of braking.

Yes they are not the best. But they are not as bad as some tyres I have experienced.

LingLing where laughable when they first entered the UK market but they are unlikely to be that bad today.

I would rather have a matched set of four premium brand tyres that are C rated for wet grip than a Heinz 57 varieties of mismatched tyres that the previous owner slung on the car

I will never skimp on tyres and I always try and run a matched set of tyres with the right side of 3mm of tread on them

BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

The makes sense as I wouldn't have bought C rated Winters.

Thanks for the extra detail.

My tyres where indeed fitted over 3 1/2 years ago.

Very good tyres. That lasted better than I expected.

I thought the ratings where the same as those nowadays.

Well it's official. Bigjills opinion.



Any fact.

bigjl

force_ten wrote: »

you say that you wouldn't buy tyres that are C rated for wet grip but in one of your previous posts you said



I would rather have a matched set of four premium brand tyres that are C rated for wet grip than a Heinz 57 varieties of mismatched tyres that the previous owner slung on the car

I will never skimp on tyres and I always try and run a matched set of tyres with the right side of 3mm of tread on them

I never put them on. They all currently have more than 4mm of tread.

So my statement still stands.

I wouldn't have bought C Rates Winter tyres.

And when I put new tyres on the Berlingo in a few days I again "won't be putting C rated Winters on"

The problem with reading BykerSands out of context post quotes is you end up getting the wrong end of the stick.

Which is exactly what BykerSands wants.

For clarity I have narrowed down my choice of tyre to Maxxis AP2 which are a B rated All Season and the Nokian Weatherproof which is a B rated in the wet. The rolling resistance is slightly better.

Once I have them fitted I will have a chance to see how Inthink they compare with the UltraGrip8 as far as standing water and driving in normal wet weather goes.

BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

I never put them on. They all currently have more than 4mm of tread.

So my statement still stands.

I wouldn't have bought C Rates Winter tyres.

And when I put new tyres on the Berlingo in a few days I again "won't be putting C rated Winters on"

The problem with reading BykerSands out of context post quotes is you end up getting the wrong end of the stick.

Which is exactly what BykerSands wants.

For clarity I have narrowed down my choice of tyre to Maxxis AP2 which are a B rated All Season and the Nokian Weatherproof which is a B rated in the wet. The rolling resistance is slightly better.

Once I have them fitted I will have a chance to see how Inthink they compare with the UltraGrip8 as far as standing water and driving in normal wet weather goes.

The word missing there is knowingly.

The evidence suggests that's exactly what he did do.

bigjl

BykerSands wrote: »

Well it's official. Bigjills opinion.



Any fact.

Well done BS.

Your trolling and quoting out context has done exactly what you wanted it to do.

Cause confusion

But then you knew that would happen didn't you.

Which I why I clicked on this post rather than leave it on ignore because I knew you would be posting more purile rubbish.

When are you going to admit your previous sign in name?

I assume your were banned for similar antics which might explain your multiple log ins this time.

And no I didn't "out you" somebody else did.

Isn't that right?

neilmcl

bigjl wrote: »

So my statement still stands.

Which statement is that.

Surely not the "winter tyres are much better in the wet than summer tyres." one, despite supported evidence to the contrary.

BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

Well done BS.

Your trolling and quoting out context has done exactly what you wanted it to do.

Cause confusion

But then you knew that would happen didn't you.

Which I why I clicked on this post rather than leave it on ignore because I knew you would be posting more purile rubbish.

When are you going to admit your previous sign in name?

I assume your were banned for similar antics which might explain your multiple log ins this time.

And no I didn't "out you" somebody else did.

Isn't that right?

Has your ignore broken Bigjill?

force_ten

bigjl wrote: »

I never put them on. They all currently have more than 4mm of tread.

So my statement still stands.

the fact that i posted

I would rather have a matched set of four premium brand tyres that are C rated for wet grip than a Heinz 57 varieties of mismatched tyres that the previous owner slung on the car

would suggest I know that you didn't put them on the car, you seem to think you have every base covered when it comes to tyres and how good or bad they are

perhaps you should now go and read up on the Law of Holes

When you find yourself in a hole the first thing to do is stop digging!, when you stop digging you stop further descent into your hole but getting out is another matter