Winter Tyres

neilmcl

The one, most important aspect of a good tyre is ability to stop in a straight line, when you need it the most. So yes, breaking tests for tyres in the wet is extremely important and representative.

So do you still really wan to stand by your earlier statement: "As winter tyres are much better in the wet than summer tyres.", because at the moment it's starting to look pretty foolish.

bigjl

thescouselander wrote: »

Indeed. So we can conclude, for London and the South East and a lot of CE, since average temperatures are higher than 7 degrees anyway and this year is significantly warmer than average it is unlikly winter tyres will be required.

In the areas you talk about Winters are rarely actually "required" they are a choice.

In my experince a good Winter tyre is better in wet or cold conditions.

And that is the only way anybody can truly judge a tyre.

All Seasons are an interesting new choice, they are very common in the US.

And now with choices like the Maxxis AP2 at the low budget end and the Nokian Weatherproof at the higher price end then they ar a real choice.

There is a new Michelin aswell but I can't remember what it is called off hand.

thescouselander

Yes its a choice but the question is "is it time to fit winter tyres?". I'm saying its not because temperatures won't be within the ideal range for winter tyres.

loskie

big jill are you comparing tyres on a clio with tyres on a v50?

bigjl

loskie wrote: »

big jill are you comparing tyres on a clio with tyres on a v50?

Do you think there a significant difference in performance as far as tyres go?

You would need to compare corner weights to see how much different the loads through each tyre would be.

In what way would they differ?

Tread pattern would be the same as far as ability to clear water goes.

The car would still be affected by standing water.

In fact the 185 wide tyre on the Clio would be less affected by standing water than the 205 on the V50.

So if the A rated Wet Braking Dunlop is more affected by standing water than a C Rated GoodYear what does that mean?

This is only anecdotal evidence based on driving through standing water at the side of the road in both vehicles over several months.

So no "data"

But how else did people assess things prior to Google or YouTube or the EU?

By personal experince and making their mind up for themselves.

Basing your emote opinion on an EU Wet braking test is a limiting factor.

As it doesn't really assess the tyre ability to get rid of water when driving in the wet.

If a tyre with an aggressive V Pattern rates lower than a tyre with a straight tread pattern for Wet weather do you think the test is a good way to compare the two tyres?

I would be happy to read why you think a tyre behaves significantly different in two fed cars though?

Especially since the mk3 Clio is a fairly heavy old hector.

So weight is not a huge factor.

Obviously the V50 has more power so in theory it should have been worse as far as wheelspin/traction issues goes.

If you can't see how the main point of my post was to show that an A Rated Summer tyre was not as good in the wet as a C rated Winter (though I still maintain it was an A or B when I bought them, why the change I don't know, or care, I would have bought a different tyre if they were a C) then I have nothing more to add.


And there is no "Jill" in my log in name you child

loskie

Two completely different cars,(weights, wheelbase, track width, driving characteristics, torque etc etc etc) you cannot expect a comparison to be accurate. But if you wish to believe that then go for it. Hopefully those readers with some common sense will be able to sift out the dross from the useful posts.
I am not sure what "fed" cars are either so cannot fully respond to your post.

BykerSands

loskie wrote: »

big jill are you comparing tyres on a clio with tyres on a v50?

And changing the performance rating to suit.

bigjl

loskie wrote: »

Two completely different cars,(weights, wheelbase, track width, driving characteristics, torque etc etc etc) you cannot expect a comparison to be accurate. But if you wish to believe that then go for it. Hopefully those readers with some common sense will be able to sift out the dross from the useful posts.
I am not sure what "fed" cars are either so cannot fully respond to your post.

Grow up Loskie.

I would have thought somebody that knows as much as you think you know would realise that it is my iPhone doing a spell "correction" and that should have read fwd.

I have driven three very different cars on Toyo T1R tyres and the behaviour was the same on all three.

So what difference doe the things you mention have to do with a tyres ability to displace water?

Hopefully people reading the thread will understand which posts really are full of "dross"

BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

Do you think there a significant difference in performance as far as tyres go?

You would need to compare corner weights to see how much different the loads through each tyre would be.

In what way would they differ?

Tread pattern would be the same as far as ability to clear water goes.

The car would still be affected by standing water.

In fact the 185 wide tyre on the Clio would be less affected by standing water than the 205 on the V50.

So if the A rated Wet Braking Dunlop is more affected by standing water than a C Rated GoodYear what does that mean?

This is only anecdotal evidence based on driving through standing water at the side of the road in both vehicles over several months.

So no "data"

But how else did people assess things prior to Google or YouTube or the EU?

By personal experince and making their mind up for themselves.

Basing your emote opinion on an EU Wet braking test is a limiting factor.

As it doesn't really assess the tyre ability to get rid of water when driving in the wet.

If a tyre with an aggressive V Pattern rates lower than a tyre with a straight tread pattern for Wet weather do you think the test is a good way to compare the two tyres?

I would be happy to read why you think a tyre behaves significantly different in two fed cars though?

Especially since the mk3 Clio is a fairly heavy old hector.

So weight is not a huge factor.

Obviously the V50 has more power so in theory it should have been worse as far as wheelspin/traction issues goes.

If you can't see how the main point of my post was to show that an A Rated Summer tyre was not as good in the wet as a C rated Winter (though I still maintain it was an A or B when I bought them, why the change I don't know, or care, I would have bought a different tyre if they were a C) then I have nothing more to add.


And there is no "Jill" in my log in name you child

Why is that Bigjill, because some one in a tyre centre told you?

The evidence posted proves you wrong. Why can't you just accept that?

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Mine are on

Basing my decision on my own observations of over 50 years, rather than the unreliable nonsense spouted by "Weather Forecasters", it isn't until January/February that we get the severe weather anyway.

I'm certainly not going to try fitting them in 3" of snow, so they are on now.;)