Private Parking Article in Today's "Times"

Half_way

Im currently in the north west, and for the first time ive seen ( or to be more precise noticed ) some of Trevs work, the ANPR ltd signs and they look as bad in real life as they do online.

On the subject of PPCs the whole rotten mess appears to have attempted to legitimise itself by being almost everywhere.
As mentioned by coupon mad you cant avoid train station car parks, beach car parks or hospitals.
As for the shopping, I could chose to boycot sites infested with parking eye, howver if I avoided Morrisons and Aldi, then what about Lidl (Athena) and ASDA (Smart) That leaves Tesco ( highview) or Sainsburys (Horizon )

All of the PPCs that is the ones that exist by charging motorists excessive fees ( ie almost all of them ) exist for one purpose, and one purpose only - to con the public out of money.
Your typical PPC does not care about parking problems on site, has no interest in the customer, be that the public parking for their weekly shop, or the landowner.
The likes of the British parking Association, limited and its code of practice is nothing more than a front to try and show some air of respectability, and the likes of Patrick Troy and William Hurley are either complicit with the whole shoddy business or are nothing more than puppets for their paymasters in PPC land, and some of those paymasters have a pretty colourful history
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Notorious-clamper-Peter-Del-Grosso-Hull-boss-new/story-18076684-detail/story.html

Another source for all of this is the DVLA, if the electronic link could be turned off, with all applications for RK data having to be hand written approved by the police and then re-checked by the DVLA this would help the public, as RK details would still be available if required, with the applicant having to pay a fee say £40 per request for each individual request for RK data

Marktheshark

It is a mirror image of how Crime gangs infiltrated American Society in the good fellows days.
Money always greases palms and open doors and makes legalisation.
These people are organised crime syndicates, I doubt anyone would care to disagree, what they do is morally repugnant on a par with any drug Barron.
They pick on the vulnerable and steal a weeks food money for any trivial rule break and those rules have hidden new rules.
They pay off who needs to be paid off, that I am certain of.

It is the most perverted manipulation of society since the crime syndicates of the American gangs.
They have bought and paid for justice, they have MP's in their top pockets, the police turn blind eyes to deliberate fraud, they have changed laws and now even the Prime minister is dancing to their tune.

Money is money and you can buy anyone and anything.

trisontana

There is a follow-up article in today's paper. This time it's about unreliable ANPR cameras and "double dipping". As the article points out, councils are not allowed to use this technology to issue parking tickets, so why is the private sector allowed to get away with it?

There are a couple of examples of wrongly issued Parking Eye tickets due the the failings in their systems, together with the usual quote from PE saying that "motorists are encouraged to appeal if there are extenuating circumstances". Well PE, motorists have done that and they still have not been believed. It's taken the intervention of people like Pranky to get you do drop the case.

The_Deep

Marktheshark wrote: »

It is a mirror image of how Crime gangs infiltrated American Society in the good fellows days.
Money always greases palms and open doors and makes legalisation.
These people are organised crime syndicates, I doubt anyone would care to disagree, what they do is morally repugnant on a par with any drug Barron.
They pick on the vulnerable and steal a weeks food money for any trivial rule break and those rules have hidden new rules.
They pay off who needs to be paid off, that I am certain of.

It is the most perverted manipulation of society since the crime syndicates of the American gangs.
They have bought and paid for justice, they have MP's in their top pockets, the police turn blind eyes to deliberate fraud, they have changed laws and now even the Prime minister is dancing to their tune.

Money is money and you can buy anyone and anything.

What a lot of tosh. You will be telling us next that the FBI were responsible for 9/11. CM, do you believe this drivel?

Loanranger

It's a pity the original article and today's follow up are behind the Times's pay wall but here are the key points:

"Ministers are expected to outline plans in the new year to cap the amount of money such companies can charge and restrict access to a government database of vehicle records that allows them to pursue motorists for cash."

And

"New measures under consideration include:•Capping the size of penalties issued by parking companies, possibly bringing them into line with fines handed out by local authorities, which are limited to £50 for common car park violations, rising to £80 in the centre of London;
•Imposing greater restrictions on access to the DVLA database, limiting it to a smaller number of operators;
•Forcing all operators to meet the same code of practice on clear signs in car parks and tickets, while preventing them using aggressive bailiffs to chase up unpaid fines;
•Giving all motorists in private car parks a 10-minute “grace period” when they overstay, which local councils already have to provide;
•Provision of the same transparent appeals process to enable drivers to challenge penalties."


As for boycotting supermarkets and in response to the earlier comment that it takes just one, my local Tesco allows unrestricted parking. Sainsbury's allows three hours which is plenty of time to be in Sainsbobs, IMHO.
I have been stung in the past with an unreasonable penalty charge which of course I did not pay. Thanks to the advice on here.

trisontana

That £80 charge might be OK for London, but you will find that most councils in the rest of the country don't charge anyway near that. Here in Nottinghamshire it's £50, reduced to £25 if paid promptly. Other nearby councils have a two-tear system of penalties, with £30 for minor violations in car parks, and £50 for more serious ones.

pappa_golf

"New measures under consideration include:•Capping the size of penalties issued by parking companies, possibly bringing them into line with fines handed out by local authorities, which are limited to £50 for common car park violations, rising to £80 in the centre of London;


backtracking of POFa 2012 that stated the max was £100 , and the supreme court that ruled that £85 was acceptable?


can the government over rule the supreme court like that?




•Forcing all operators to meet the same code of practice on clear signs in car parks and tickets, while preventing them using aggressive bailiffs to chase up unpaid fines;


bailiffs are not used in private parking , unlike the regulated sector (council)


•Imposing greater restrictions on access to the DVLA database, limiting it to a smaller number of operators;


this was implemented by POFa2012 , in that only companies that were part of an approved trade assoc could access data, thus weeding out cowboys (hello trev)


•Giving all motorists in private car parks a 10-minute “grace period” when they overstay, which local councils already have to provide;


implemented in the last code of practice by the BPA , and from the day of inception by the IAS

Marktheshark

I forgot to add in my list of criminal conspiracies.
Perverting planning rules and planning officers, illegal signs, illegal car parks, avoiding rates, no problem, the planning department will just retrospectively sign off any oversight when the public complain.
Then there is VAT avoidance, millions of pounds of VAT are just not paid.

They have the whole society and those in power twisted around their fingers.

Now they want to "regulate" it, or in other words, make new laws so it even easier for them to rob the public, but dress them up like they are doing everyone a favour.
Hundreds of years of contract law and EU and consumer regulations were tossed away by the supreme court to help this little syndicate scam its way forward.

Money can buy anything in this bent little country and this is the absolute proof.

It started as a scam faking council parking tickets in some small private car parks, now they want new laws to make the scam identical to council tickets.
This is how far it has come.
Bent Britain.

bargepole

pappa_golf wrote: »

can the government over rule the supreme court like that?

Yes they can.

Any new legislation passed by Parliament, overrides any previous case law decided by judges, where the two are contradictory.

But the new statute only applies from its effective date, it doesn't apply retrospectively, unless in very rare cases it specifically says so.

pappa_golf

that's good to here then