walked out of jobcentre work experience

topaztiger1983

topaztiger1983 wrote: »

I worked in a local charity shop

No comeback then

Sorry did you think i was being a hypocrite, did you think I was going to say "oh I did do any voluntary work"

marleyboy

What the Government is doing is WRONG!!.

I agree that they need to weed out the nettles as it were. But forced labour, which is what this is, no matter how you gloss it, is not the way.

Work experience should be in the form of job training, involving a scheme akin to YTS, find their strengths, what they are good at and work with them at guiding them into a direction, offering the training or qualification to allow them to take the path most suited to them. An unpaid job at Poundland for someone who is lets say good at bricklaying, is not the way to go at all.

A construction company are not going to get anymore excited about a candidate who has 8 weeks experience in stacking shelves.

topaztiger1983

Ok I partially agree, but would your solution mean big constructions companies doing the same as poundland is, as qualifications are nothing without experience

topaztiger1983

YTS also came under the same criticism as the workfare programme, e.g. cheap slave labour, so it was nothing more than the work programme is today, aside from the fact that YTS acted on what the service users needs were & worked on their strengths

But I have know several people that have been kept on with the company after their "work experience" ended

marleyboy

Ok I partially agree, but would your solution mean big constructions companies doing the same as poundland is, as qualifications are nothing without experience

Big companies, but in an on the job, off the job training. For example, off the job is akin to schooling, a course, a training scheme etc. on the job, a 2 or 3 day work experience with a company suitable for the training course, akin to apprenticeship. The right qualifications for the right candidate, who is both trained, into and qualified in a particular role suitable for the candidate and the company is bound to pay dividends, whether or not they get a specific job with a specific company.

That would look more promising on a CV, sounds more attractive to the candidate and has more potential advantages for a company.

topaztiger1983

I can see the possible advantages, but if it was so good why did YTS get shut down then

marleyboy

Sorry Topaz, not copping out, but some of us have work tomorrow so I gotta call it an evening.

marleyboy

topaztiger1983 wrote: »

I can see the possible advantages, but if it was so good why did YTS get shut down then

You would have to ask Maggie that one.

topaztiger1983

OK i may look forward to seeing some other peoples posts on this in the morning

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Someone in this thread said something along the lines of “Walking out of a job, paid or unpaid, is […] inappropriate”
A job is NOT a job if it is UNPAID; the definition of the word job typically includes the words ‘PAID EMPLOYMENT’.
The OP did not walk out of a job.

My 2c
I live in a post-industrial town that has sat for many years at the top end of the charts for ‘most unemployed towns in Britain’.
Very recently, the issue of high unemployment in this area became the focus for a documentary set here. The documentary was primarily about the complete lack of job opportunities in the area, in that there are just not enough jobs to go around, not by a long, long way; the show’s chief ‘hook’ was the head-line grabbing amount of applications employers were receiving for even part-time menial jobs—they are routinely swamped by them, which causes them difficulties in sifting through the piles to find the most experienced, suitable candidate.

There are not enough jobs here. They keep saying.

They keep saying this…

And yet…

Time after time, I encounter friends, family, friends of family and friends, who have, or indeed still are, doing INvoluntary work or Mandatory work in places like Poundland (I have a mentally disabled cousin INvoluntarily 'working' there right now, it’s the SECOND TIME she’s been on one of these things in as many months), Tesco, Asda, and other local businesses.
I have friends who are skilled tradesmen who have had to go and spend four-eight weeks stacking shelves in Poundland, Tesco, and Asda etc.

For a town where there ‘Aren’t any jobs!’ there are a hell of a lot of poor people ‘employed’ in these INvoluntary work and mandatory work positions for these companies.



BUT I have YET to meet anyone here who was actually offered a contract of employment after these 4-8 weeks; I have yet to meet anyone who has said that this has improved their employment prospects (How could it? There were no jobs to begin with!).

These companies DON’T WANT to take anyone on who they have to PAY when they can just operate a revolving door of UNPAID workers-one goes out, one comes in.

There are jobs here, not enough to go around, but there are jobs here.

WHO WINS? WHO LOSES?
The people I know who’ve been on Workfare, Mandatory work, voluntary work, whatever the hell they call it this week, have never had anything come of it. THEY WORK FOR MUCH LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE OUT OF ECONOMIC FEAR BORN OF THREATS. (THEY LOSE)
The fact that they are working for their benefits means that YOU, THE TAX PAYER, ARE PAYING THEIR WAGES. PAYING THEM TO WORK FOR COMPANIES. (YOU LOSE, TOO)
The companies that ‘employ’ this revolving door of unpaid labour… (CHA-CHING!!!)

If you are one of the people, hating on the poor people forced into working for less than minimum wage, AT LEAST ASK YOURSELVES WHY YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL.

If companies have vacancies, they should pay people a fair day’s wage for a fair day’s bloody work, not have the taxpayer paying poor, economically cornered people a pittance to work for them.