Being a Kleeneze Distributor

BFG_2

Why do none of the MLM websites ever tell you what the product/company is??

roaming_rhino

**Boardguide note: weblink removed**

open as anything - 8th on google search engines

openly tells all about the kleeneze business

openly has a freephone number where people can call and ask anything for free

openly declares what is involved

openly tells people what they need to do to earn money

openly shows what we earn

the reason why many people run what we call blind ads as because millions of people pre-judge this wonderful opportunity as a micky mouse catalogue business that can pay £30 per week to anyone getting involved

best to get info to people to show the big picture on how it can replace your career income within 1-3 years and how it can provide a long term residual income for life

that is why many run blind ads

I do the same every week and sign people up every week .90% had never realised kleeneze was as good as it is - most thought it a pocket money opportunity

John_Jackson_2

SooTee wrote:

I get fed up with these "clever clogs", who think they know all about multi-level marketing

Oops, Argumentum ad hominem again.

SooTee wrote:

The nearest any of these sniders come to it…

Oops, there it is again :rolleyes:

SooTee wrote:

Big corporations, the NHS, shops and ALL traditional businesses are the guilty parties when it comes to pyramids

That sounds like MLM propaganda.

Yes most organisations have a pyramid shaped organisation structure, it does not follow that they therefore are equivalent to pyramid schemes. A pyramid scheme is identified by the way money flows from new recruits at the bottom to those at the top. Exactly the same as MLM schemes.

roaming_rhino wrote:

I have been doing Kleeneze , here in the UK for nearly 10 years now and have a group turnover of over £400,000 which earns us around £7000 - £8000 per month

many on here dont believe it , I couldnt care less .

I believe it.

With 432 in your group (your own claim), that’s comes to £18.52 profit per person per month assuming £8,000 profit overall. That’s £4.32 a week profit per person. So yes, your figures are entirely believable for an MLM distributor.

Kleeneze has a turnover of £82.6 million a year (their own figures). That might sound impressive but there are 25 million homes in the UK.

That means that the average household spends £3.30 per year on Kleeneze products. That’s 6.4 pence per week per household.

Like I keep pointing out, all these claims of fantastic earnings are not backed up by the maths.

BFG wrote:

Why do none of the MLM websites ever tell you what the product/company is??

Good question.

It’s all to do with very clever marketing. The victim, sorry recruit, has to be sold on the idea of getting rich before they are told what they have to do.

MLM is about selling a dream. **BG note: weblink removed**

Notice the pictures of Caribbean beaches, yachts, money, and holidays; and of course, the claim of earning £500 to £2,000 a month.

They have to get people thinking about money before they introduce the “opportunity” – it simply wouldn’t work the other way round.

roaming_rhino

John

it doesnt matter what I say - you my friend will always find a reason to Knock the industry.

There are always doubters - doom and gloom merchants , whatever

See - let us take a career ( a job for example )
you study - get some qualifications - hopefully good enough to get you a decent standard of living working a job

Reality hits then

see more than ever in history companies out there are employing temporary workers = so as to take away any right of the employee
within the next decade there will be more part time workers than full time workers in the UK - FACT

Redundancy is a fact of life for millions of employed people.
Very rarely does a person get through thier working life without being dumped on the scrap heap by an employer and this can sometimes happen several times in a 40-45 year working life

( it happened to me 3 times in 13years ) I learned my lesson , many dont

More than ever in history out there in the market place are people aged 40 + being put on the scrap heap (baby boomers from 1946-1964)
the situation will get worse over the next 10-20 years

Pensions in the UK are in a dire predicament - read the press
this situation again will get more dire over the next 20 + years
The governments know this and are contemplating raising the retirement age of a human being to aged 70 before being able to retire (how sad)

56 % of the working aged population of the uk (22 .5 million ) people will be reliant on the state at 65-70 ( check out what it pays now ) shockingingly low

the state pension as we know it today will cease to exist
millions will be forced into poverty . The gap between the rich and the poor will widen to the point of panic by major organisations around the UK

Most financial organisation already know this

Debt in the UK has now risen to its highest level - ever in history
this will worsen in the UK as consumer demand for instant cash flow and the fascination of buy now , worry about it later has got the UK popultion , billions into debt. Most average families now owe outside thier mortgage
10-20k on plastic and loans

This will worsen over the coming years - it has over the last 10 years

SEE - ALL OF THE AbOVE IS BASED ON FACT -ITS ON THE TELEVISION AND IN THE PRESS EVERY WEEK .

all of this means that right now out there there has never been a more need for people to earn money to help pay their car , mortgage , their utility bills and hope to have some spare for a holiday

We as distributors for kleeneze offer a solution . Anyone can easily earn
£200 - £500 per month just retailing the products ( no need to build a team)
In fact we have dozens and dozens in our team alone who consistently earn over £1000 per month just retailing (no team)

so the market as it is now is being driven by demand for people to make and earn more money . People are struggling to make ends meet out there
I know this as I speak to 100 + people every week

This is why know matter what the doom merchants say or claim
Companies like Kleeneze and others offering similar income opportunities will continue to grow over the years ahead

J . 0 . B - STANDS FOR JUST OVER BROKE

they only ever pay you enough to keep you going back
If the job/ career thing works or worked why all of the above

There are 40 million working aged people in the UK today . Millions unhappy , wondering if one day they may win the lottery and solve all their worries

In the years ahead , crisis will hit more and more families . Cost of living goes up , house prices go up , wages stay the same . Nothing much will change

Thankfully I saw 10 years ago all this about to happen and learned a lesson
I looked at all the people I knew and saw a lot of unhappy people working towards retirement , I looked at retired people and saw unhappy people
I didnt like where I was headed
decided to take a change of direction and join Kleeneze

Retired from the rat race at 31 , now I train people to follow in our footsteps
Many will follow , some will live a life of quiet desperation

no doubt you will find fault in what I say

roaming_rhino

Oh

and by the way - pyramid selling

where someone purchases products then sells them on at a higher price to someone else

they then sell them on again to someone else and pay even more

somewhere down the line someone is tuck with a ton of stuff that know one wants cos its to highly priced

Many money games too have come and gone by shifting money instead of products down a chain of people ( the product is money ) the outcome is illegal and most companies get shut down who run money games

To be paid to recruit someone into an opportunity is illegal too

none of thse apply to kleeneze I might add

John_Jackson_2

roaming_rhino wrote:

There are always doubters - doom and gloom merchants , whatever

Argumentum ad hominem :rolleyes:

Followed by your doom and gloom scenario and non sequitur reasoning.

Whether the doom and gloom future you picture threatens or not, it does not follow that Kleeneze is the logical answer.

I have shown time and again that your claimed figures do not add up. Rather than get suckered into an MLM scam, I think people would do a lot better to embrace the concept of debt-free living to better their finances and plan for the future.

Remember Kleeneze’s own report shows that in the 2003-2004 year (the last figures published) showed that they recruited 24,000 new members in that year yet they lost 26,000 members in the same period.

To me that looks like a hell of a lot of people losing money: not making it.

Everything you say is MLM propaganda, and nothing more.

The bottom line with this is: you are making claims of income that neither you, nor the figures you have provided can substantiate. Forget your propaganda: you can’t back it up with facts.

bridiej

I'm closing the thread as it seems to be turning into argument over points and the OPs questions have been answered.