Being a Kleeneze Distributor

John_Jackson_2

I did a bit of digging today and found some figures for kleeneze. (wife’s away and I was bored OK )

Their turnover for 2003-2004 was £82.6 million (£6.6 million of which was profit): a fall of 4% on the previous year.

They ended the year with 14,900 distributors so lets work out some average figures:

£82.6 million divided by 14,900 = £5,544 per year from each distributor.

£5,544 divided by 12 months = £462 per month from each distributor.

£5,544 divided by 52 weeks = £106.62 per week from each distributor.

So, on average, a distributor is making £106.62 a week in sales. With a 20% commission that works out at £21.32 a week.

Sorry, that’s £21.32 a week before expenses.

Some other interesting figures:

They ended 2003 with 16,900 distributors and ended 2004 with 14,900 distributors. 2,000 less.

But…

That was not a recruitment problem. On average, they recruited 2,000 new distributors every month!!!

If they had 16,900, recruited another 24,000 and ended up with 14,900 it can only mean one thing: a massive failure rate.

Obviously there’ll be a hardcore of distributors close to the top of the pyramid who will never give up (think of all the commissions raised by 2,000 people’s joining fees every month) so the figures can’t be worked out exactly, but I estimate the failure rate of new recruits to be close to 100%.

It makes you wonder where all those hundreds of people who are making £1,000s a month fit in doesn’t it?

Source of the figures?

Kleeneze’s annual report 2004: http://www.kleenezeplc.co.uk/

I apologise for painting a rosy picture - most people will never make £21.32 a week.

Remember MLMs are product based pyramid schemes: 90% at the bottom lose money, 9% in the middle break even, and 1% at the top make a lot of money (usually the directors).

Remember the obligatory government warning: "Do not be misled by claims that high earnings are easily achieved".

Now you know why they have to put that in their small print by law.

jazzyjustlaw

Well done JOhn what a task! Do you know I think it MLM's should be banned with Kleeneze included. Pass me a Petition I'd sign it.

roaming_rhino

I could wallpaper Mr John Jacksons house from top to bottom and still have plenty spare with copies of peoples Kleeneze monthly incomes in our group alone , never mind others in other groups around the UK

Like I said in a previous post - they dont put put statues up in the world to awarded to sceptics and people whose mission in life is to dismiss opportunities, only achievers

This tat for tat wording about this works - that works - wouldnt touch ,this wouldnt touch ,that is going absolutely nowhere other than to waste peoples time reading the posts being put forward

To let you know - even though I am sure you would find a way to not accept it , Last month our Kleeneze group turned over in pounds £395,043 (which is the lowest it will get this year - seasonal . We had 432 distributorships place orders ( an average of £914 per head )

Not once in the last 24 months has it dropped beneath £750 per head
typically as a guide anyone retailing £750 per orders in 4 weeks would earn £200

so you can use any figures as you wish

I am bored to tears reading views which seem biased based on someones experience of the industry . Kleeneze works for 100% who give it 100%

A philosophy which applies to any business out there not just our business
Ps Pyramid selling is illegal and made so in the 1970s

Billions of pounds of volume of sales are marketing through network marketing
every year around the World .

Every day people join Kleeneze - single minded points of views will not stop this happening . Our team alone has over 100 join every month . Whether it works out for them will be entirely up to the individual . In the years ahead thousands more will join Kleeneze regardless of sceptics or people spreading the words( dont join Kleeneze cos it doesnt work)

Major UK Companies approach Kleeneze every month asking if they can market there products within the Kleeneze range

My final words

competitionscafe

roaming_rhino wrote:

Last month our Kleeneze group turned over in pounds £395,043 (which is the lowest it will get this year - seasonal . We had 432 distributorships place orders ( an average of £914 per head )

Not once in the last 24 months has it dropped beneath £750 per head
typically as a guide anyone retailing £750 per orders in 4 weeks would earn £200

Well you may be doing well because you have a massive downline, but by your own admission the people in your downline are earning on average roughly £250 a month? (And I assume that's not profit as their expenses have to come out of it?)

Well £250 a month is not going to convince many people to quit their day job.
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kleeneze.itworks

THE THING IS YOU HAVE HAVE WORKED OUT THE FIGS AS AN AV ..IM A KLEENEZE DIST AND THERE R MANY PEOPLE DOING NOTHING WITH IT .ANT THERE R PEOPLE DOING ALOT WITH IT SO TELL ME HOW CAN YOUR BE AVARAGE BE RIGHT MATE ... STICK TO WHAT YOU NO .IF YOU WANT ME TO AVARAGES ON ALL UK BIZ I THINK YOU WOULD GET A SHOCK MATE.. STOP #KNOCKING A GREAT BIZJohn Jackson]I did a bit of digging today and found some figures for kleeneze. (wife’s away and I was bored OK )

Their turnover for 2003-2004 was £82.6 million (£6.6 million of which was profit): a fall of 4% on the previous year.

They ended the year with 14,900 distributors so lets work out some average figures:

£82.6 million divided by 14,900 = £5,544 per year from each distributor.

£5,544 divided by 12 months = £462 per month from each distributor.

£5,544 divided by 52 weeks = £106.62 per week from each distributor.

So, on average, a distributor is making £106.62 a week in sales. With a 20% commission that works out at £21.32 a week.

Sorry, that’s £21.32 a week before expenses.

Some other interesting figures:

They ended 2003 with 16,900 distributors and ended 2004 with 14,900 distributors. 2,000 less.

But…

That was not a recruitment problem. On average, they recruited 2,000 new distributors every month!!!

If they had 16,900, recruited another 24,000 and ended up with 14,900 it can only mean one thing: a massive failure rate.

Obviously there’ll be a hardcore of distributors close to the top of the pyramid who will never give up (think of all the commissions raised by 2,000 people’s joining fees every month) so the figures can’t be worked out exactly, but I estimate the failure rate of new recruits to be close to 100%.

It makes you wonder where all those hundreds of people who are making £1,000s a month fit in doesn’t it?

Source of the figures?

Kleeneze’s annual report 2004: http://www.kleenezeplc.co.uk/

I apologise for painting a rosy picture - most people will never make £21.32 a week.

Remember MLMs are product based pyramid schemes: 90% at the bottom lose money, 9% in the middle break even, and 1% at the top make a lot of money (usually the directors).

Remember the obligatory government warning: "Do not be misled by claims that high earnings are easily achieved".

Now you know why they have to put that in their small print by law.[/QUOTE]

kleeneze.itworks

I Can Not Believe The Uk Public ..heres A Biz That Has Gone Through 2 World Wars ,every Single Year Made Profit. And Was The 1st Company To Make It A 37hr Week (when It Used To Be 42hrs Fact)we Owe Alot To This Company ..

competitionscafe

John_Jackson wrote:

Some other interesting figures:

They ended 2003 with 16,900 distributors and ended 2004 with 14,900 distributors. 2,000 less.

But…

That was not a recruitment problem. On average, they recruited 2,000 new distributors every month!!!

If they had 16,900, recruited another 24,000 and ended up with 14,900 it can only mean one thing: a massive failure rate.

These statistics are from somebody in the USA who has a lot of MLM/network marketing experience, so should be fairly accurate:

"....85-90% of typical new MLM sign-ups bail in just 30-60 days. Only consumers who stick with the program longer, and in turn recruit more resellers, make MLM profits possible."

John_Jackson_2

roaming_rhino wrote:

so you can use any figures as you wish

Yes, I could. As I pointed out though, I used kleeneze's own published accounts so, hopefully, I can't be accused of making the figures up

roaming_rhino wrote:

To let you know - even though I am sure you would find a way to not accept it , Last month our Kleeneze group turned over in pounds £395,043 (which is the lowest it will get this year - seasonal . We had 432 distributorships place orders ( an average of £914 per head )

£395,043 divided by 432 = £914.45 per person in turnover.

£914/30*7 (to make it weekly) = £213.37 per week in turnover.

£213.37 in turnover (gross sales) at 20% commission = £42.67 a week in income before expenses.

OK, I will accept that you have a highflying group that earns twice the average that others earn. That of course means that to keep the average (given by kleeneze’s own figures), other groups must be performing worse than average.

roaming_rhino wrote:

I could wallpaper Mr John Jacksonsb]sic[/b house from top to bottom and still have plenty spare with copies of peoplesb]sic[/b Kleeneze monthly incomes in our group alone

At £42.67 a week (your own figures) are you sure?

roaming_rhino wrote:

Every day people join Kleeneze - single minded points of views will not stop this happening .

Is that an appeal to be “open minded”?

roaming_rhino wrote:

Our team alone has over 100 join every month

So, you have 432 active members and you have 100 new members join every month. How many do you lose every month to keep this figure of 432? I strongly suspect that you lose around 100 members a month too.

roaming_rhino wrote:

In the years ahead thousands more will join Kleeneze regardless of sceptics

I fear that you’re right. At least skeptics are trying to promulgate the truth though, and some people will listen.

roaming_rhino wrote:

I find it rather interesting when people say Kleeneze doesntb]sic[/b work

It does work - if you work it . We earn nearly 80k per year with Kleeneze and have dozens and dozens and dozens of team members earning way over 2k per month

hundreds in our team alone earn between £200 - £500 per month

Not from the figures you’ve just quoted they aren’t.

You have 432 active members earning £42.67 a week on average. I’m quoting your own figures.

Your claim doesn’t add up.

kleeneze.itworks wrote:

THE THING IS YOU HAVE HAVEb]sic[/b WORKED OUT THE FIGSb]sic[/b AS AN AVb]sic[/b ..IMb]sic[/b A KLEENEZE DISTb]sic[/b AND THERE Rb]sic[/b MANY PEOPLE DOING NOTHING WITH IT .ANTb]sic[/b THERE Rb]sic[/b PEOPLE DOING ALOTb]sic[/b WITH IT SO TELL ME HOW CAN YOURb]sic[/b BEb]sic[/b AVARAGEb]sic[/b BE RIGHT MATE

I agree the average figures give a distorted picture. Most of the money earned in MLM goes straight up the pyramid to the top. I did point out however that: 90% lose, 9% break even, 1% gain. That’s because of the pyramid system that MLM is based on.

kleeneze.itworks wrote:

I Can Not Believe The Uk Public

I’ll agree with you there.

kleeneze.itworks wrote:

heres A Biz That Has Gone Through 2 World Wars ,every Single Year Made Profit.

Not only that, it has undergone exponential growth in all that time and yet still manages to be small enough to promise riches through exponential growth in the future!

kleeneze.itworks wrote:

And Was The 1st Company To Make It A 37hr Week (when It Used To Be 42hrs Fact)we Owe Alot To This Company

So self-employment, make a fortune from your kitchen table, you reap what you sow, but don’t work more than 37 hours a week. :rotfl:

Talk about re-spouting propaganda.

competitionscafe

kleeneze.itworks wrote:

I Can Not Believe The Uk Public ..heres A Biz That Has Gone Through 2 World Wars ,every Single Year Made Profit. And Was The 1st Company To Make It A 37hr Week (when It Used To Be 42hrs Fact)we Owe Alot To This Company ..

If this is such a fast growing, dynamic company why is their share price lower today than it was 10 years ago? (150p in 1995, 120p now)
http://mwprices.ft.com/custom/ft-com/quotechartnews.asp?vsc_appId=ts&symb=KLZ&ftsite=FTCOM&searchtype=equity&vsc_query=KLZ&x=12&y=3&searchOption=equity

And they have not "every Single Year Made Profit" - from the Kleeneze plc Preliminary Results for the year ended 30th April 2004:

Loss before tax, after exceptional items significantly reduced at #2.0 million (2003: loss of #36.0 million)
http://mwprices.ft.com/custom/ft-com/story.asp?siteid=ft&dist=ft&guid=%7B3037166B%2D59F4%2D4A9A%2DAF1E%2DB5FA3A930310%7D

kleeneze.itworks

i think you'll find it wasnt the kleeneze company that was making the loss it was a company that they owned and sold as it was making loss get the correct facts .this links is about is it worth been a kleeneze agent ...the answer is yes ... goe find another topic you have no interest in giving the correct info to people who maybe interested in starting there own home biz up... its not all plain sailing with kleeneze but ive had more ups than i have had downs.in my job all i got was do this do that and no thanks for doing agood job.with kleeneze all through out the agents there is some one to give advise and help me when i need it