Britain and the EU

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

It sounds to me like the solution to the problem of states acting alone is more integration not less.

If there was a common policy on immigration to the EU then the problem of unilateral action by member states would be resolved.

The current challenges facing the EU are obviously bad, but in some ways they could lead to some good.

The challenge has been set now. How does the EU step up to the plate, and construct an unified response to the refugee / illegal migrant crisis.

If there is sufficient political will and concensus they can find an answer.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Quite the reverse. You seem to be arguing that the solution to countries acting unilaterally is more unilateralism. It's bizarre frankly.

Even you don't believe that rubbish.


I sure you are fully aware, the issue is Germany acting alone but binding all the other 27 in the resulting de facto situation.

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

The current challenges facing the EU are obviously bad, but in some ways they could lead to some good.

The challenge has been set now. How does the EU step up to the plate, and construct an unified response to the refugee / illegal migrant crisis.

If there is sufficient political will and concensus they can find an answer.

a unified response might be the scrapping of Schengen and each sovereign state to determine its own immigration policy

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

Even you don't believe that rubbish.


I sure you are fully aware, the issue is Germany acting alone but binding all the other 27 in the resulting de facto situation.

I don't believe that 'ever closer union' is particularly desirable but I don't really see another way to read your post. Feel free to explain my error.

Graham_Devon

Generali wrote: »

It sounds to me like the solution to the problem of states acting alone is more integration not less.

I don't buy this personally.

There are many avenues in which carrying on doing the same thing in order to fix a problem simply doesn't work.

Marriage / relationships is one of those areas. You can try all manner of mediation and partnership stuff, but sometimes you simply have to accept you don't want the same things and part ways.

In regards to the example posed, where Germany has just gone ahead regardless of other members states possible wishes, I don't see how even closer union would have made one jot of difference personally.

Generali

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I don't buy this personally.

There are many avenues in which carrying on doing the same thing in order to fix a problem simply doesn't work.

Marriage / relationships is one of those areas. You can try all manner of mediation and partnership stuff, but sometimes you simply have to accept you don't want the same things and part ways.

In regards to the example posed, where Germany has just gone ahead regardless of other members states possible wishes, I don't see how even closer union would have made one jot of difference personally.

If the EU had a common policy on immigration then Germany couldn't have done that perhaps, depending on how the rules were framed.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

In regards to the example posed, where Germany has just gone ahead regardless of other members states possible wishes, I don't see how even closer union would have made one jot of difference personally.

That's not really logical. Derbyshire doesn't have different immigration rules to Devon because close union has harmonised the rules across the country - there aren't any discrepancies.

I'm always surprised by how little people think we control nationally. I think the myth has been perpetuated by !!!! poor politicians keen to blame the EU for their own inadequacies.

Graham_Devon

Generali wrote: »

If the EU had a common policy on immigration then Germany couldn't have done that perhaps, depending on how the rules were framed.

Yes it could.

Hence why they were classed as refugees (not immigrants), regardless of where they came from.

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

That's not really logical. Derbyshire doesn't have different immigration rules to Devon because close union has harmonised the rules across the country - there aren't any discrepancies.

And that was?!

Generali

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Yes it could.

Hence why they were classed as refugees (not immigrants), regardless of where they came from.

Okay, if the EU had common rules on migration including people migrating looking for refuge then Germany couldn't have acted alone. Just as Derbyshire and Devon can't in wotsthat's example.