Britain and the EU

Graham_Devon

mwpt wrote: »

Nope, that's your interpretation and incorrect.

It's my opinion (and was shared by the majority on the thread you discuss).

You can disagree with it, but that doesn't make it incorrect.

Mistermeaner

antrobus wrote: »

The fate of the Roman Empire would be an object lesson as to why you need to control immigration.

They did give us hadrians wall though. Just not quite high enough

Generali

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9525

Leave don't seem to be getting any traction at all. I guess their next big chance comes after the renegotiation.

I can't see anything other than a pretty straightforward victory for stay at the moment.

Sapphire

Generali wrote: »

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9525

Leave don't seem to be getting any traction at all. I guess their next big chance comes after the renegotiation.

I can't see anything other than a pretty straightforward victory for stay at the moment.

I'd imagine it's a bit soon for them to start 'getting traction'. I'll be voting 'out', as will many people I know who haven't been polled.

Generali

Sapphire wrote: »

I'd imagine it's a bit soon for them to start 'getting traction'. I'll be voting 'out', as will many people I know who haven't been polled.

Are you pretending not to understand how polls work or do you really not know?

michaels

Generali wrote: »

Are you pretending not to understand how polls work or do you really not know?

To be fair pollsters managed to be very wrong on something voted on every 5 years so it may not be that sensible to ascribe too much accuracy to them on an issue last voted on 40 years ago.

Graham_Devon

Generali wrote: »

Are you pretending not to understand how polls work or do you really not know?

There are quite a few polls on this and they vary quite significantly.

So as you understand polls, you'll understand differing selection.

A survation poll last week put those wanting out of the EU ahead of those wanting to stay in, at 51% leave, 49% stay.

Hard to tell with polls, but the general feeling (in my opinion) is that there is a slight shift, not only in the press but also on the question time clapometer towards more and more taking issue with the EU in light of more recent events.

wotsthat

michaels wrote: »

To be fair pollsters managed to be very wrong on something voted on every 5 years so it may not be that sensible to ascribe to much accuracy to them on an issue last voted on t0 years ago.

I'd bet the methodology around polls is as robust as it's ever been and they're as accurate as could be reasonably expected.

There is a big difference between what people say they are going to do and what they actually do. People lie and the the person they lie to most of all is themselves - that's just human nature.

It's much easier to say you're in favour of big uncertain change this far out so if leave are nowhere now, a long ways from having to make a real decision, they have an uphill battle ahead. My guess would be the stay vote will always be bigger than actually polled too.

It'll be less marked than in Scotland where Scots said yes but voted no because there was some excitement around it. A brave new beginning. The EU vote is going to be as dull as ditchwater and most people have already made up their minds.

Sapphire

Generali wrote: »

Are you pretending not to understand how polls work or do you really not know?

Of course I know how polls work. What's with the aggro.? :EasterBun

michaels

I see the BoE confirms that EU membership holds down wages (but in a good way....):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34598766