Britain and the EU

antrobus

Sapphire wrote: »

....Europe has kept out illegal migrants in the past and there's absolutely no reason why it can't in the future – ...

Oh, I don't know. The Romans didn't do such a good job when it came down to it.:)

Sapphire

antrobus wrote: »

Oh, I don't know. The Romans didn't do such a good job when it came down to it.:)

They did a 'good' job of suppressing the barbarian hordes for centuries over a very large area of the world…:p

I know civilisations wax and wane – but I wouldn't be too happy to see mine waning, if only because, with all its 'faults', it's been built up over many centuries to be pretty good compared with what has gone before, and what exists in other parts of the world.

antrobus

Sapphire wrote: »

They did a 'good' job of suppressing the barbarian hordes for centuries over a very large area of the world…....

The fate of the Roman Empire would be an object lesson as to why you need to control immigration.

Graham_Devon

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

In light of recent Brussels negotiations with Turkey, would people still remain pro-EU if it became a member?

It's simply another example of Germany doing what Germany wants to do without even consulting the other members.

If people don't question this, they are not going to question anything at all.

mwpt

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's simply another example of Germany doing what Germany wants to do without even consulting the other members.

If people don't question this, they are not going to question anything at all.

Sorry but I find all this ridiculous. Germany can do no right by some people. You yourself were chastising her for her apparently uncharitable disinterest in lending more money to Greece. You're now taking an unfavourable view of her charitable decision to take her share of the millions of asylum seekers. I'm betting if she had done the opposite you would be grinding the axe to a different tune (to mix my metaphors). I just find these sort of views so logically inconsistent, they're untenable. Sorry to target your post Graham, I'm not trying to personally offend you, it's a common theme.

Graham_Devon

mwpt wrote: »

Sorry but I find all this ridiculous. Germany can do no right by some people. You yourself were chastising her for her apparently uncharitable disinterest in lending more money to Greece. You're now taking an unfavourable view of her charitable decision to take her share of the millions of asylum seekers. I'm betting if she had done the opposite you would be grinding the axe to a different tune (to mix my metaphors). I just find these sort of views so logically inconsistent, they're untenable. Sorry to target your post Graham, I'm not trying to personally offend you, it's a common theme.

Sorry, you got me mixed up with someone else. She was very much interested in lending more money to Greece, so long as it was all on her terms.

As for charitable donations - the EU is not, currently, as far as I'm aware, a charity.

mwpt

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Sorry, you got me mixed up with someone else. She was very much interested in lending more money to Greece, so long as it was all on her terms.

As for charitable donations - the EU is not, currently, as far as I'm aware, a charity.

No, incorrect. And even if correct, since it's not a charity why were you angry that the lender gets to dictate the lending terms?

mayonnaise

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's simply another example of Germany doing what Germany wants to do without even consulting the other members.

If people don't question this, they are not going to question anything at all.

Question what, Graham?

Graham_Devon

mwpt wrote: »

No, incorrect. And even if correct, since it's not a charity why were you angry that the lender gets to dictate the lending terms?

I'm not sure we need to do all of this all over again really as pretty comprehensive answers were given on the thread you are discussing.

It wasn't so much the lender dictating the terms, it was the lender changing the terms at every turn in order that the creditor failed to meet the terms.

mwpt

Nope, that's your interpretation and incorrect.