Britain and the EU

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

why was such a compromise needed?
why did the euro countries not simply bail out Greece?...

I think the reason was that Greece needed to borrow €6 bn or thereabouts to avoid defaulting on an ECB loan and clear its IMF arrears. The EZ hadn't yet got around to setting up the new facility, and so the EFSM was the only legal mechanism they had available to make the money available to Greece.

CLAPTON wrote: »

...one would assume that if greece did default then a new compromise would be reached that did involve non-euro member states contributing : but by then everyone would have forgotten the original promise

The loan was made on the 17th July 2015 and had a maximum maturity of three months, so presumably we will know by Saturday whether or not Greece has defaulted.:)

wotsthat

Sapphire wrote: »

I'm afraid none of your 'arguments' in any way convinces me to want to stay in Europe.

As most people, IMO, have already made up their minds there will be little debate - just an exchange of opinion. I'm never going to convince you, Clapton or Graham and I'm surprised you think it's my job to do so.

Why don't you convince me instead?

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Recently published by the European Commission.

Completing Europe's Economic and Monetary Union

Report by: Jean-Claude Juncker

in close cooperation with
Donald Tusk
Jeroen Dijsselbloem
Mario Draghi
and Martin Schulz

http://ec.europa.eu/priorities/economic-monetary-union/docs/5-presidents-report_en.pdf

I'm going to repeat what I said. The UK will never be under the direct rule of Brussels.

mayonnaise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Recently published by the European Commission.

Completing Europe's Economic and Monetary Union

Report by: Jean-Claude Juncker

in close cooperation with
Donald Tusk
Jeroen Dijsselbloem
Mario Draghi
and Martin Schulz

http://ec.europa.eu/priorities/economic-monetary-union/docs/5-presidents-report_en.pdf

This report reflects the personal deliberations and
discussions of the five Presidents. It focuses on the euro
area, as countries that share a currency face specific
common challenges, interests and responsibilities.

Not applicable to the UK then.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Not applicable to the UK then.

it is reasonably likely that co-ordinated changes in 17 of the member states, will affect the whole 28

WannaBLoaded

wotsthat wrote: »

I like having the right to go anywhere thanks.

I can't imagine anything more depressing than having to spend my life living with a bunch of little Englanders. Once the problems of their miserable lives hadn't been resolved by stopping immigrants we'd just move on to phase 2 of the blame game.

You don't need to be in the EU to go anywhere, you were born in a rich country. You could move to anywhere in the EU and they would welcome you, whether Britain was in the EU or not.

You may have a bit more paperwork but it would be no different or probably no harder than trying to move to somewhere like the USA.

Even the USA has stricter regulations on who is and isn't allowed to turn up with a plastic bag containing a spare pair of boxer shorts.

The argument for controlled immigration far outweighs any of the current so called 'good' parts of being in the EU. A country can not better itself when it can't accept immigrants with good skills because it's been forced to take too many with bad.

The country is in debt, there is a housing crisis, the nhs is a mess, the list is endless and uncontrolled immigration will never help.

I don't mind people wanting to come to the country to fill the gaps in our economy but the EU is founded on creating one big superstate where every country thrives, a nice idea but the rules that they have created mean that is / will be destined to fail.

All that will happen under the current EU immigration and economic policy is the richer countries will get poorer and the already poor countries will get even poorer.

Romania and other countries are losing tens of thousands of people each year, that is a big loss to their economy and how will they fill the gaps? With subsidies from the EU paid for by the richer countries yet the richer countries will also be paying for the strain on their infrastructure and welfare as well as catering for immigrants from outside of the EU? It will not work.

I am out!

Vote UKIP!!!!!

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm going to repeat what I said. The UK will never be under the direct rule of Brussels.

Neither you nor I have any power to influence the future direction of Europe. Nor what what the majority may one day accede to.

Masomnia

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm going to repeat what I said. The UK will never be under the direct rule of Brussels.

Where EU and UK law conflict EU law already takes precedence, so it's probably not that far away at all.

The goal of a federal Europe isn't a secret so you won't do the pro camp any favours by trying to deny it will happen.

wotsthat

The UK will never be under the direct rule of Brussels. Happy for anyone to bookmark this statement for future use.

Masomnia

wotsthat wrote: »

The UK will never be under the direct rule of Brussels. Happy for anyone to bookmark this statement for future use.

Define 'direct rule'.

ETA, please