Britain and the EU

michaels

mayonnaise wrote: »

No!!!!

The kippers will be an irrelevancy by the next election anyway.
The EU referendum will have been held by then and thus their raison d'être will have gone.

Like the SNP?

N1AK

michaels wrote: »

Like the SNP?

A very valid counter-argument sadly. The issue with referendums on independence is that they have vastly unequal propositions. Most UKIPers don't care what the wider population wants. They want to leave the EU, and they'll keep fighting for that regardless of the referendum result.

antrobus

zenmaster wrote: »

I wonder if that would involve a £several-billion "termination fee"?

I doubt if the EU would ever put it that way, but that is entirely possible.

The truth is that nobody knows on what terms we would leave the EU, and what our future relationship with the EU would be. You can make some general statements about what you hope it might be but, until you have a government that is actually committed to leaving and has actually gone through the process, you won't know what it is.

It has been suggested that even if the UK votes no to the EU, that we will need a second referendum to confirm the exit deal.

Mistermeaner

I'd like to understand what out would mean before voting otherwise it's a bit of a dice roll.

WannaBLoaded

I don't want turkey to become a full member of the EU, and if it does i certainly do not want the UK to be a part of free movement, Mohammed is already the second most popular baby name in the UK.

I am not prejudice, i used to associate with Muslims on a frequent basis and had many interesting conversations with them which i did enjoy and i even considered some of them as pals despite their devout beliefs, but their culture and way of life or ideology isn't British and it wont be long until a current minority increases in size and changes the country forever.

Mistermeaner

Some of my best friends are white

Moby

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

In light of recent Brussels negotiations with Turkey, would people still remain pro-EU if it became a member?

Why not? I would still remain pro EU. Bringing Turkey in would bring stability to eastern Europe and Putins southern flank would be shored up.

Sapphire

Moby wrote: »

Bringing Turkey in would bring stability to eastern Europe and Putins southern flank would be shored up.

How do you figure that it would 'bring stability to eastern Europe', and what's this about shoring up Putin's southern flank? Also, last time I visited eastern Europe (Poland a few months ago), it was not at all 'unstable'.

One thing 'bringing in Turkey' would do, if it ever happened, would be to open the door to potentially millions of Turks (Turkey is a very large country, most of which is not in Europe).

Moby

Sapphire wrote: »

How do you figure that it would 'bring stability to eastern Europe', and what's this about shoring up Putin's southern flank? Also, last time I visited eastern Europe (Poland a few months ago), it was not at all 'unstable'.

One thing 'bringing in Turkey' would do, if it ever happened, would be to open the door to potentially millions of Turks (Turkey is a very large country, most of which is not in Europe).

Turkey has thousands of miles of coastline. Most of the Middle East migrants are using it as the way in to Europe. It is clear the Turkish Gomt are using this as a bargaining chip in the renewed negotiations. Merkel is taking a more pragmstic view because of the refugee crisis and now realises its better to hav e Turkey inside the tent than outside. Re. Putin its obvious really...... Turkey is in NATO and is strategically placed south of the Crimea to countrr Russian expansionism in the Middle East. Hate typing on bloody tablets:mad:

Sapphire

Moby wrote: »

Turkey has thousands of miles of coastline. Most of the Middle East migrants are using it as the way in to Europe. It is clear the Turkish Gomt are using this as a bargaining chip in the renewed negotiations. Merkel is taking a more pragmstic view because of the refugee crisis and now realises its better to hav e Turkey inside the tent than outside. Re. Putin its obvious really...... Turkey is in NATO and is strategically placed south of the Crimea to countrr Russian expansionism in the Middle East. Hate typing on bloody tablets:mad:

I understand what you mean now (thought you meant that it would shore up Putin's Russia to his benefit). With regard to Merkel's 'pragmatic view', having Turkey as part of the EU would not be to Europe's advantage. Turkey is not really a European country, and it has similar explosive religious/political issues to those in other Muslim countries, which are nothing to do with Europe and not compatible with it. Having unleashed an invasion of Europe composed of potentially millions of people by inviting illegal migrants to come to her country, it is up to Merkel to now find a solution to stop the invasion. It needs to be one that will not have a negative impact on all the countries in Europe (not just Germany).

Europe has kept out illegal migrants in the past and there's absolutely no reason why it can't in the future – the longer the situation is left to fester, the more extreme the measures that will ultimately have to be taken to stop the invasion.