Britain and the EU

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

If the EU had a common policy on immigration then Germany couldn't have done that perhaps, depending on how the rules were framed.

There is no logical reason why Germany shouldn't have a different policy on immigration to the rest of Europe.

The difficulty here is that Germany now wants to determine the response of the rest of the EU.

Each country has different requirements and different wishes.
The every 'closer integration' requires only one response.

In practice we know that if the EU did have a 'plan' it would have been inadequate to deal with such a major flood of immigrants just as it failed to deal with the Financial crisis properly

The socialist utopia of a grand plan
Perhaps we need an EU food distribution plan, an EU housing plan, and EU health care plan, and EU employment plan etc for the immigrants.

michaels

CLAPTON wrote: »

There is no logical reason why Germany shouldn't have a different policy on immigration to the rest of Europe.

Except that with Schengen and free movement surely anyone Germany lets in can travel and, if they are given citizenship, work throughout the EU?

CLAPTON

michaels wrote: »

Except that with Schengen and free movement surely anyone Germany lets in can travel and, if they are given citizenship, work throughout the EU?

exactly

which is why we don't need schengen etc
we need each country to have its own rules abut many more things including immigration

schengen etc is a typical example of socialist bureaucratic planning that was based on the premise that not many people would actually move.

naturally, now we have a crisis, the system is inflexible and unworkable and as usual, the socialist see the 'solution' is more socialist bureaucratic centralist planning rather than less

Sapphire

I see Frau Merkel is at it again, attempting to bully European nations other than Germany.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/23/refugee-crisis-germany-push-compulsory-eu-quotas

The comments following the article say it all, really (though some people still haven't cottoned on to the fact that once these illegal migrants are given passports, they'll instantly be able to enter Britain!).

Disgusting and typical of Germany to use strong-arm tactics like this against weaker nations. I thought Germany had left such behaviour behind, but apparently not.

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

naturally, now we have a crisis, the system is inflexible and unworkable and as usual, the socialist see the 'solution' is more socialist bureaucratic centralist planning rather than less

I'm confused as to how you are relating this to socialists.

Gen, for example, suggested similar to the above as the solution - and I don't really take him as a socialist?

I've been made out as being a socialist a few times now (because I would like to see council housing I assume?), Hell, about a week ago I was compared to Jeremy Corbyn - but I don't think that more centralist planning is the answer.

mayonnaise

Sapphire wrote: »

Disgusting and typical of Germany to use strong-arm tactics like this against weaker nations. I thought Germany had left such behaviour behind, but apparently not.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I'm confused as to how you are relating this to socialists.

Gen, for example, suggested similar to the above as the solution - and I don't really take him as a socialist?

I've been made out as being a socialist a few times now (because I would like to see council housing I assume?), Hell, about a week ago I was compared to Jeremy Corbyn - but I don't think that more centralist planning is the answer.

Gen can talk for himself but he clearly has very inconsistent views : one set for the UK and another for himself and his family

I wouldn't compare you with Jeremy as I've never been thought that you supported the IRA bombing and killing.

Sapphire

Great image of John Cleese, but not too sure of the relevance to this thread. :wall:

Or is this supposed to be a marching German, perhaps?

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

exactly

which is why we don't need schengen etc
we need each country to have its own rules abut many more things including immigration

schengen etc is a typical example of socialist bureaucratic planning that was based on the premise that not many people would actually move.

naturally, now we have a crisis, the system is inflexible and unworkable and as usual, the socialist see the 'solution' is more socialist bureaucratic centralist planning rather than less

I think you mean acquis communitaire. Schengen is the passport-free zone within the EU that the UK is not a part of.

The right under the acquis to freedom of movement of labour is a capitalist ideal. The theory goes that you can't meaningfully have a single market for capital and goods and not have one for labour. Labour should be able to follow price signals as much as capital and goods do. That means Polish plumbers going to London where there is a shortage of plumbers which has pushed wages up.

I think that the market being able to respond to price signals is a good thing and something to be encouraged. It's what makes capitalism tick.

Generali

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I'm confused as to how you are relating this to socialists.

Gen, for example, suggested similar to the above as the solution - and I don't really take him as a socialist?

I've been made out as being a socialist a few times now (because I would like to see council housing I assume?), Hell, about a week ago I was compared to Jeremy Corbyn - but I don't think that more centralist planning is the answer.

It's a stock response. Just as the same poster said I had accused him of racism despite never mentioning the r- word or anything to do with it.

Think of it in the same way as your lower leg moving when hit just below the knee or your pupil contracting when a light is shone into it. The poster concerned can't help the response, it's just automatic.