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wealdroam

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

Section of the A48 from Bridgend to the M4 is a dual carriageway.

Solid white lines and signage, no physical barriers whatsoever.

Oh, and national speed limit signs and another sign saying "Dual Carriageway Ahead>"

I don't know that area but looking at google maps I cannot see where the A48 meets or crosses the M4 in or around Bridgend.

Can you please help with an accurate point on a map, or as AdrianC suggests, a streetview link. Thanks.

benjus

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

Section of the A48 from Bridgend to the M4 is a dual carriageway.

If you're talking about this bit then the sign "Dual Carriageway ahead" is a good sign that what you're on now is not a dual carriageway.

Once you do get to the actual dual carriageway, there is a wide central reservation between the two carriageways. This then continues most of the way to Bridgend - so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Head_The_Ball

dannyrst wrote: »

Please keep posting. You're making my day. :rotfl:

It is all very amusing.

Edwood_Woodwood

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/4/made



“central reservation” means—

(a)any land between the carriageways of a road comprising two carriageways; or

(b)any permanent work (other than a traffic island) in the carriageway of a road, which separates the carriageway


http://uk.practicallaw.com/2-516-8168#a980494




Carriageway

A carriageway is a way which comprises all or part of a highway over which the public has a right of way for the passage of vehicles and which is not a cycle track (section 329, HA 1980). This is the fullest public right. At common law the public's rights extended to the full width of the carriageway, but statute has placed restrictions on the public's use of some kinds of carriageway, for example, motorways. Statute has also introduced footways. A footway limits the width of the highway which is a carriageway.





The above is from the actual regulations that define the law regarding this issue.

"Any land" is exactly that, "any land." It is not defined by size, shape, material or anything else by the Act.

"Between the carriageways." That is self explanatory.

A thick white line is still "any land," as the Act does not define "any land," and it separates a carriageway.

The "carriageway" is a way that comprises all, or part, of a highway.

The bus lane separates a part of the carriageway.

All of this satisfies the law in defining what a dual carriageway is.


http://www.pepipoo.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t7136.html

I'd say more people on the above site agree with me.

wealdroam

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

I'd say more people on the above site agree with me.

I don't think they would if you were to tell them that a bus lane forms one carriageway and the rest of the road is the second carriageway which just happens to be carrying traffic in both directions.

AdrianC

[QUOTE=Edwood_Woodwood;69180126http://www.pepipoo.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t7136.html

I'd say more people on the above site agree with me.[/QUOTE]
<reads thread>
<boggles>
How on earth can you think that thread agrees with your view on this?

almillar

Section of the A48 from Bridgend to the M4 is a dual carriageway.
Solid white lines and signage, no physical barriers whatsoever.
Oh, and national speed limit signs and another sign saying "Dual Carriageway Ahead>"
Probably thousands all over the country.

(can anyone give us a Google Maps link?)
No. If you're absolutely sure about all that information about that road, then it is the exception to the rule, it's absolutely NOT the norm, and there aren't thousands all over the country. If you're reading the sign 'dual carriageway AHEAD' - are you sure you're taking the word ahead into account?

(a)any land between the carriageways of a road comprising two carriageways; or

Carriageway with paint on it is not land!

"Between the carriageways." That is self explanatory.

I think you need to have it explained - something IN BETWEEN TARMAC. NOT tarmac with paint on it.

OK I'll try to sort out the bus lanes!
A bus lane is just a lane. When it's in operation it's just another lane that only certain vehicles can enter. It's not another carriageway. It's really not. You're quoting all the legislation, fair play, but you're completely misinterpreting it.

wealdroam

almillar wrote: »

(can anyone give us a Google Maps link?)

Edwood Woodwood has ignored an earlier request, but here is a link posted by benjus.

benjus also said "...the sign "Dual Carriageway ahead" is a good sign that what you're on now is not a dual carriageway".

AdrianC

Ooh, hasn't it been quiet in here today?

wealdroam

Here is a Streetview link to the site of the incident mentioned in the original post.

Still doesn't look like a dual carriageway to me.