Car with a 300 mile range which can recharge to 80% in 15 mins

Martyn1981

cells wrote: »

Its simply fooling yourself thinking the £11k to power an oil car through its life is all fuel when its clearly a £4k fuel saving and a £7k tax saving.

Maybe fuel prices on your receipt should quote the fuel and tax separately so its more clear to you.

Anyone who claims they save £x on fuel with their EVs really should claim they save about 35% of x on fuel and contribute 65% of x less to taxes.

This is all irrelevant for today and today's cost comparisons.

In 10 to 15 years we may well see 25%+ of new car registrations being EV's, with them making up perhaps 10% of the cars on the road (and growing each year). So the tax revenue drop in 10 years+ may begin to have an impact, but will still be small.

So your accounting trick is wholly irrelevant to the discussion today as any car bought now will be nearing its life expectancy when/if this small but growing impact arrives for those bought in 10 years time.

Mart.

Martyn1981

tommysaver wrote: »

And that's all very worst case in my opinion! Likely these electric cars won't even do 5k a year.

Sorry if that's a bit scrambled.. I need my bed.

No, I think that all makes sense, and its certainly a cost comparison we need to make.

But something worth remembering which wotsthat mentions is the comparison of cheap secondhand ICE to new EV.

For you and I, on a micro-scale, we have the option of comparing a new EV to an old ICE. But on the macro-scale, that's not an option, since nobody manufactures a cheap second hand car.

In reality, for you or I to buy a second hand car, somebody, further up the food chain, has to buy a new car. So the true comparison is new EV to new ICE, or sh EV to sh ICE.

I'm massively impressed with some of the EV developments, but still believe that they're not quite there yet to replace the higher mileage cars, but then that's a choice we all make buying the right car for the job.

When it comes to lower mileage cars, and especially second cars, then EV's are becoming more sensible and probably fit in well to a multi car household, ideal for daily short trips, or left home on the sunny day, to charge from PV.

Lots of potential, but suited to a role, rather than any role at the moment. But improving all the time.

Mart.

cells

Martyn1981 wrote: »

This is all irrelevant for today and today's cost comparisons.

In 10 to 15 years we may well see 25%+ of new car registrations being EV's, with them making up perhaps 10% of the cars on the road (and growing each year). So the tax revenue drop in 10 years+ may begin to have an impact, but will still be small.

So your accounting trick is wholly irrelevant to the discussion today as any car bought now will be nearing its life expectancy when/if this small but growing impact arrives for those bought in 10 years time.

Mart.

well sure someone can gloat they save £10k with their EV but they should be more honest and gloat they save £6.5k in taxes and £3.5k in fuel