Car with a 300 mile range which can recharge to 80% in 15 mins

wotsthat

tommysaver wrote: »

I struggle to see how it's a lot cheaper to run than a say £600 12 month MOT'd runabout e.g. Saxo.

Apples and oranges. A better comparison would be the costs of a 1 year old Leaf vs a 1 year old Micra.

tommysaver

spadoosh wrote: »

Cool story, you can buy a bike for the same price that you spend on fuel in a month and manage just as many miles in said month. And you would have hench legs to boot.

Choices.

Sounds exactly like every other car lease deal.

I'd like to see a halfords special £120 bike do 2000 miles in a few weeks.

Agreed, choices - but I'm highlighting real world cheapness. People go on about how electricity is so good and FREE FUEL OMG WOWZER!111 when in reality it's a horrifically obscene false economy..

tommysaver

wotsthat wrote: »

Apples and oranges. A better comparison would be the costs of a 1 year old Leaf vs a 1 year old Micra.

Fair enough, good point.

The micra would still come out on top I'd imagine.

I don't see any point in buying new / nearly new cars for my personal situation though. Lose so much. Glad there are people out there doing it though to keep me having choices!

michaels

tommysaver wrote: »

So... your paying £3120 for 2 years of... Use?

Then hand it back with nothing to show for it?


I struggle to see how it's a lot cheaper to run than a say £600 12 month MOT'd runabout e.g. Saxo.

I wouldn't dare drive such an underspec'd such thing as a VW.... It's a BMW.

& yes, I make sure to cover complete imbeciles on the roads with smoke. Usually the likes of Hyandai i10 & gang being driven by dribblers so horrifically that I overtake with my foot flat to the floor - so they enjoy my black sooty clouds.


Back ontopic. You could buy a car for £1000. Do your normal popping to the shops and schoolrun, oh, and everything else inbetween. Use it for 2 years. Then sell it for say at worst £500, and it would still probably work out cheaper.

I do around 1200-2000 miles per month and my fuel costs are around £120 - £180 a month..

Yet I can still sell my car no problem for what it's worth and near what I bought it for!

Up until now I have always driven cheap old cars but when I had a petrol the mpg was appalling for all the short journeys in traffic from cold and when I switched to diesel I saved a lot on fuel as the mpg went up from low 20s to low 30s but then it broke down all the time as modern diesel engines can not cope with short journeys (all that enviromental particle filter/egr 'rubbish' gets clogged up, dumps fuel in the oil when it does a forced regen which eventually leads to a runaway enging and a blown turbo) and cost all the savings and more to repair.

Sure if you use for longer journeys you don't get all these eissues but for my usage a petrol costs a fortune in low mpg and diesel costs a fortune in poor reliability and the limited range is not a problem and electricity costs 2p a mile when the PV isn't generating and is free when it is, similarly no road tax. Horses for courses as some might say.

Oh and I can feel smug when I am dropping the kids and school and seeing all the Chelsea Tractor mums killing off all the kids by polluting their lungs.

wotsthat

tommysaver wrote: »

Fair enough, good point.

The micra would still come out on top I'd imagine.

I don't see any point in buying new / nearly new cars for my personal situation though. Lose so much. Glad there are people out there doing it though to keep me having choices!

It depends what value you put on the carbon dioxide you aren't emitting. Michaels generally gives the impression of being a total tightwad so if he's paying a premium on car costs to reduce emissions that gets my attention.

cells

Watched a video where some big name investor was talking about tesla increasing its plans to 1 million model3 EVs per year by 2020 and they think their giga factory can be made to output twice as many batteries.

its looking promising that the Americans have solved this one too. The germans and the Japanese better get cracking on the self drive and EVs because if Tesla/Apple take that crown and entrench a lead then the whole of Germany/Japan will suffer as millions of high end EVs take market share from high end German car manufacturers.

Martyn1981

tommysaver wrote: »

So... your paying £3120 for 2 years of... Use?

Then hand it back with nothing to show for it?


I struggle to see how it's a lot cheaper to run than a say £600 12 month MOT'd runabout e.g. Saxo.

Have you factored in the fuel cost savings?

Mart.

tommysaver

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Have you factored in the fuel cost savings?

Mart.

Yes.

I wouldn't mind betting £3000 gets you well over 12,000 miles, likely more 15k+

Your average 'pop to the shop on electricity' car I doubt does more than 5000 miles a year.

Martyn1981

tommysaver wrote: »

Yes.

I wouldn't mind betting £3000 gets you well over 12,000 miles, likely more 15k+

Your average 'pop to the shop on electricity' car I doubt does more than 5000 miles a year.

So that's £2k to £2.5k in petrol (using your figures and ratios), perhaps £300 in depreciation, 2 MOT's (one to sell it), 2 years of VED, and extra maintenance costs as EV's are cheap to maintain and have less wear on tyres, brake pads, brake discs etc.

Doesn't seem cheaper to me? I suspect michaels has gotten a 'new car' for the same cost as your old Saxo.

Mart.

cells

Fuel for a diesel or petrol car over its lifetime is quite cheap. 110,000 mile life at 50mpg is about 10,000 litres. Fuel is what 40p plus 70p tax? So £4,000 fuel and £7,000 tax.

£4,000 fuel for a cars lifetime is quite good.
For a lot of people depreciation and insurance tends to be a bigger lifetime cost something self drive cars will hopefully help with