Shocked at my friend.

fierystormcloud

fierystormcloud wrote: »

It's ridiculous, and it needs to stop, because it's fuelling racial tension. People are fed up of being afraid to say anything. One girl at work I know had a go at a colleague for saying 'black coffee' once!

Person_one wrote: »

Sorry, but I just don't believe that happened.

Why are you 'sorry?' :huh:

I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not.

Feral_Moon

cavework wrote: »

My son is a redhead...I really wish she had ordered a ginger beer ..LOL

as for 'person of unknown ethnic origin' being PC, to me it sounds too close to 'person of unknown parentage'
For the record.. I am pink , sometimes quite red, when I have been on holiday I sometimes get called brown with freckles.. I have never met a 'white' person in my life..

Even albinos aren't exactly white!

fierystormcloud

That is a gorgeous girl! ^^^

cavework

BEAUTIFUL..
x

Enterprise_1701C

All this has gone too far the other way.

With the recent child abuse scandals I, and a lot of other people, have noticed that most of the abusers, if not all, are Asian. Simple fact. The problem with this is it forced the authorities to wait before acting because they did not want to be labelled racist. Instead the fact that it is most obviously Asians abusing white girls is being brushed under the carpet and it has not been treated as a race crime.

It cuts both ways, you cannot have race crimes against non-white and not against whites.

We are friends with a mixed race couple. She can barely get a tan and he is blacker than night (Caribbean). They have adopted some mixed race girls. When they were talking to the adoption people he referred to himself as black and got told off and then he referred to their kids as half-cast and got told if he keeps exhibiting racist tendencies then they would not be able to adopt. He calls a spade a spade and actually complained about the person but got told that it was how things were basically. They were terrified and tiptoeing around the social workers and adoption people after that, they were not allowed to be themselves because some idiot thought certain words were racist.

Person_one

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

certain words were racist.

Certain words are racist.

But then, if you think most (if not all) child abusers are the same race...

missbiggles1

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

All this has gone too far the other way.

With the recent child abuse scandals I, and a lot of other people, have noticed that most of the abusers, if not all, are Asian. Simple fact. The problem with this is it forced the authorities to wait before acting because they did not want to be labelled racist. Instead the fact that it is most obviously Asians abusing white girls is being brushed under the carpet and it has not been treated as a race crime.

It cuts both ways, you cannot have race crimes against non-white and not against whites.

We are friends with a mixed race couple. She can barely get a tan and he is blacker than night (Caribbean). They have adopted some mixed race girls. When they were talking to the adoption people he referred to himself as black and got told off and then he referred to their kids as half-cast and got told if he keeps exhibiting racist tendencies then they would not be able to adopt. He calls a spade a spade and actually complained about the person but got told that it was how things were basically. They were terrified and tiptoeing around the social workers and adoption people after that, they were not allowed to be themselves because some idiot thought certain words were racist.

"Half caste" hasn't been acceptable usage for many years and I don't see anything wrong with explaining this to someone who hasn't grasped this, whatever their colour. It's hardly stopping them "being themselves" to update their vocabulary a bit.

cavework

Enterprise.. can I politely ask how old you are?
Not being ageist.. just interested

SmarterNotHarder

Money_maker wrote: »

So the absolute correct phrase to use for a person who is neither white nor black but their origin is not known is...?

Person? Unless you're describing someone to the police or something, why would it matter? I mean you wouldn't specify everytime you were talking about a white person?

ETA Ah sorry Person_One beat me to it!

zagfles

Petra_70 wrote: »

I can believe this because I used to know a man who was brought up in the Caribbean (a white man,) and he spoke with a strong Caribbean accent, and he was frequently lambasted for 'mocking black people.' It got to the point where he was scared to go out where he knew there would be black people. He went back there after 5 years. I think he had had enough!

Interestingly I don't think my ex-colleague ever had a problem with a black person, it was always white people who gave him a hard time. Presumably people of West Indian descent recognised his genuine accent.

And Zagles, there are plenty of professional offence takers unfortunately, and I agree with you saying "The professional offence takers are generally up their own backsides and just want to feel morally superior to others who don't use the "correct" terms, or want to demonstrate to their bosses or peers how "PC" they are."

I agree political correctness has gone mad, and I also get sick of worrying about what I say. And back in my day things were different too,and yes you did call someone coloured, not black.



This post reminds me of when my sister started work some ten years ago in a coffee shop. She was told explicitly that she must not say "black coffee'" just ask people if they want coffee with milk or without milk. In addition, I remember quite a few years ago (early 2000s, maybe 15 years back,) going for a drink with a friend, and she asked for two coffees, one black, one white, and the assistant said 'you mean one without milk and one with milk? When she said 'that is what I said, one black, one white,' the assistant said (snottily,) 'you can't say that!'

Ridiculous

I have also come across many other similar scenarios mentioned in the posts above.. People up their own backsides standing on the moral high ground, telling folk how bad they are for uttering the wrong terminology!

I think the important thing to remember with all this "PC gone mad" stuff is it's not generally the ethnic minorities who are complaining - in fact they are the main victims of it as it creates divisions between them and white people, it creates fear and misunderstanding, it fuels racism.

Remember the clueless (mainly white, non Muslim) people who wanted a ban on children's stories featuring pigs in case it offends Muslims? Well, the Muslim Council of Britain disagreed:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/mar/05/schools.books

Remember the (mainly white) managers in the prison service who thought making a derogatory comment about Bin Laden was racist? And described as "intellectually lazy and incompetent" by the employment tribunal?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1451814/Prison-chief-is-attacked-over-race-sacking.html

The "professional offence takers" I mentioned above are usually taking offence on behalf of others, not themselves. Don't let these sanctimonious patronising idiots make you think any less of those they are supposedly "protecting".