Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Arklight

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

All made possible by the Grammar School system that she now wants to destroy.

The original grammar school system admitted by IQ tests that aren't easily prepped for and working class kids who were able to pass IQ tests did start to get in at the expense of the Ruperts and Camillas.


This system was promptly abolished and grammars turned into a middle class racket based on house prices and private tutors. I am sure you will agree with Diane that this is a rather poor way of selecting school admission.


Actually Diane reports that her teachers were not supportive of her application to Cambridge as they warned her that she would be stepping above her station.


She reports struggling with isolation and loneliness during her degree. As well as being one of only three black students, she was unprepared for how elitist the institution was.


People from minorities have to run twice as hard to go half as far, and that goes double again for women. In many other countries Diane would be a success story, but there seems to be a rump of bigotry in the UK who cannot accept that a black woman might be smarter, and very possibly much nicer, than they are.

gadgetmind

Arklight wrote: »

Why are a majority of tax payers, despite working full time, paid so little they need to be subsidised

Lack of valuable skills.

westernpromise

Fella wrote: »

To be honest I think most of us didn't say stuff like that even at 21. There's a difference between being young & daft and being a nasty sc*mbag.

Agreed, it's about judgment. He may have genuinely changed his opinions since then - although hatred for groups that they then demonise is the stock in trade of the left, so I doubt it. For a long time the left was adamant that the old were deeply vulnerable until they decided that they had money that could be expropriated, turned on a sixpence and started to hate them instead.

Eventually it is everyone's turn to be hated by the left.

michaels

Arklight wrote: »

The original grammar school system admitted by IQ tests that aren't easily prepped for and working class kids who were able to pass IQ tests did start to get in at the expense of the Ruperts and Camillas.


This system was promptly abolished and grammars turned into a middle class racket based on house prices and private tutors. I am sure you will agree with Diane that this is a rather poor way of selecting school admission.


Actually Diane reports that her teachers were not supportive of her application to Cambridge as they warned her that she would be stepping above her station.


She reports struggling with isolation and loneliness during her degree. As well as being one of only three black students, she was unprepared for how elitist the institution was.


People from minorities have to run twice as hard to go half as far, and that goes double again for women. In many other countries Diane would be a success story, but there seems to be a rump of bigotry in the UK who cannot accept that a black woman might be smarter, and very possibly much nicer, than they are.

I send my kids to the local state school. I would not send them private even if I could afford it. If they are brighter than the average pupil and I input more than other parents that is a good thing not a reason to send them elsewhere.

westernpromise

Arklight wrote: »

Yes exactly. Why are a majority of tax payers, despite working full time, paid so little they need to be subsidised by people who are disproportionately wealthy, to enable them to access a fading pool of badly run and grudgingly given basic services?

They don't need to be. They just want to be. Very big difference.

Countries without wealthy taxpayers turn into Zimbabwe, Venezuela, or Tower Hamlets. Nobody disputes that some taxation is necessary; the issue is that to go from some taxation is necessary to any level is justified always ends the same way.

The host doesn't need the tapeworm for anything. The tapeworm had better, at some point, start being nice to the host upon whom it relies, in contrast, for everything.

westernpromise

Arklight wrote: »

The original grammar school system admitted by IQ tests that aren't easily prepped for and working class kids who were able to pass IQ tests did start to get in at the expense of the Ruperts and Camillas.

This system was promptly abolished and grammars turned into a middle class racket based on house prices and private tutors.

Almost three quarters of its pupils are from minority ethnic groups and the proportion of girls whose first language is believed not to be English is over half
- Ofsted's last report on Henrietta Barnett School, a north London grammar.
https://reports.ofsted.gov.uk/provider/files/876721/urn/101354.pdf

London grammars, certainly, are now Asian schools, largely. Not many "Ruperts and Camillas" among them, although it's nice to see your unreconstructed nineteenth-century prejudices are completely intact. It's like a breath of stale air. HBS has pupils commuting in from Uxbridge and Kennington.

So be careful what you wish for. Any attempt, for example, to fiddle university admissions in favour of thick kids by biasing the procedure against those who attended selective schools will certainly entail introducing racial discrimination against the latter, because it will disproportionately be Asian applicants who are done out of places by it.

If anyone ever tries to comprehensivise Oxbridge, they'll just reach out to their alumni for the money required to secede from the state system; and they'll get it.

Cakeguts

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

My daughter and her fianc!e are FTBs. They spent a couple of years here in the south working hard and renting, totally unable to have a holiday let alone save for a deposit. They were told they needed a minimum of £90,000 deposit to even buy a tiny house down here. The company my daughter was working for finally closed down (red tape multiplied too much and caused them serious problems, they were telephone debt collectors but had all their teeth removed).

They were lucky to be able to go and stay with her fianc!'s mother and step father up Yorkshire way, deposited various furniture and belongings in our house, his father and step mother's house and his mother's house, both got jobs before they went, both had to change due to commuting problems but both managed to get new jobs before they left the previous job and they are working for the same employer but they are very good employers, they saved and within a year had enough saved for a deposit on a 3 bed house, they moved in a couple of months ago, The price there is a third of the price down here and it makes such a difference. They also have a reasonable sized garden, and the room sizes are reasonable, it is a semi-detached town house.

So, not all youngsters are silly. I always hold them up as a shining example. I have to say I am very proud of what they have managed.

They are hoping that managing to get on the housing ladder means they will eventually manage to move back down south, but it will take a lot of doing, although the house they moved into is in an up and coming area so quite possible.

The moving back down south is silly. If you can make a good living in Yorkshire and afford a nice house why on earth would you move to a shoe box in the south?

Tromking

westernpromise wrote: »

As such I have a right to require that my money not be squandered on vices as a condition of my continuing to fund the lifestyles of claimants.

No such right exists or will ever exist thankfully. Attitudes which you display have no place when we as a country decide how to divvy up the tax take.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

I am fully prepared to accept he is a nasty scumbag if there is any evidence to suggest that.

Mouthing off on the internet 15 years ago when he was just out of his teens isn't enough evidence to draw that conclusion, however

And was that also your opinion when similar stories emerged about Nigel Farage?

Thought not.

LHW99

Mouthing off on the internet 15 years ago when he was just out of his teens isn't enough evidence to draw that conclusion, however.

Seems as if he hasn't changed / grown up much though:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/woman-claims-she-was-verbally-abused-by-jared-omara-this-year-sophie-evans

I also heard the story on the ITV news this evening