Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Fella

The kind of MP you get from Corbyn & his Momentum thugs:

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-mp-issues-apology-after-revelation-he-asked-girls-aloud-for-an-orgy-and-said-fat-women-don-t-deserve-respect-1-8819419

Newly-elected Sheffield Labour MP Jared O'Mara has apologised - after revelations he asked pop group Girls Aloud to have an orgy with him - and said that fat girls don't deserve respect.

Mr O'Mara also reportedly posted that it would be 'quite funny' if the pop star Jamie Cullum was 'sodomised' to death.

And he also reportedly posted a song with the lyrics: 'I wish I were a misogynist, I'd put her in her place, I wish I were a misogynist, I'd smash her in her face.' He also described Sheffield United supporters as “f***ing pigs” and the residents of Leeds as “a bunch of rugby lovin’ c****”

Kinder, Gentler Politics.

Cakeguts

Fella wrote: »

The kind of MP you get from Corbyn & his Momentum thugs:

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-mp-issues-apology-after-revelation-he-asked-girls-aloud-for-an-orgy-and-said-fat-women-don-t-deserve-respect-1-8819419

Newly-elected Sheffield Labour MP Jared O'Mara has apologised - after revelations he asked pop group Girls Aloud to have an orgy with him - and said that fat girls don't deserve respect.

Mr O'Mara also reportedly posted that it would be 'quite funny' if the pop star Jamie Cullum was 'sodomised' to death.

And he also reportedly posted a song with the lyrics: 'I wish I were a misogynist, I'd put her in her place, I wish I were a misogynist, I'd smash her in her face.' He also described Sheffield United supporters as “f***ing pigs” and the residents of Leeds as “a bunch of rugby lovin’ c****”

Kinder, Gentler Politics.

Who voted for him? They can't have read anything about him must have just voted for the party he represents. Well that has turned out to be a waste of time.

buglawton

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, everyone on benefits has a posh car, Sky TV and a fridge covered in restaurant menus.

Now, now, I definitely know of one or two exceptions.

fatbeetle

Maybe this is the answer, seems to be working over here..

The federal government’s Cashless Debit Card Trial, which began in selected communities in South Australia and Western Australia from March 2016, is a significant innovation in tackling the health and socioeconomic disadvantages in communities with high rates of social security dependency for long periods of time, and – in many cases – across generations. It is simply wrong to say, as some have argued, that the card causes social and economic harm.

Let me provide some context: it is clear that while there are historical and socioeconomic factors involved in the low life expectancy for Aboriginal people, the worsening rates of alcohol and illicit drug use are driving much of the illness and life-threatening behaviour – not just in remote communities, but across Australia.

The Cashless Debit Card tackles the problem that current welfare policies are a systemic enabler of illicit drug use, alcohol abuse and free-range gambling.

Some critics of the card have stressed its restrictive nature. They emphasise what the card cannot be used for, while omitting that it can in fact be used to purchase anything except alcohol products and gambling services. Otherwise, it works the same as any other EFTPOS card.

https://theconversation.com/the-cashless-debit-card-trial-is-working-and-it-is-vital-heres-why-76951

EFTPOS = switch type cash card.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, everyone on benefits has a posh car, Sky TV and a fridge covered in restaurant menus.

I was hoping for a sensible response but got sarcasm instead so let me try again. What do you believe to be the the essential things if you are not living in poverty.

Start with food, clothing and shelter and take it from there.

Enterprise_1701C

GreatApe wrote: »

You are exaggerating

Its also unreasonable to expect a 3 bedroom terrace for the average person let alone the average FTB as the average property is a 2.7 bedroom terrace iirc

If you do a search for London plus 30 miles you get a hit for 1500 properties for under £250k

One of the big problems is that most FTBs and renters turn their noses up at average properties.
Maybe this is a fault of the internet. In the olden days you might have gone to an agent and they only showed you the properties within your budget. Now people have access to high res photos of all the properties in their areas and they look at properties they can't afford and then when viewing properties they can afford they get disheartened with what they can afford vs their heightened expectations.

My daughter and her fianc!e are FTBs. They spent a couple of years here in the south working hard and renting, totally unable to have a holiday let alone save for a deposit. They were told they needed a minimum of £90,000 deposit to even buy a tiny house down here. The company my daughter was working for finally closed down (red tape multiplied too much and caused them serious problems, they were telephone debt collectors but had all their teeth removed).

They were lucky to be able to go and stay with her fianc!'s mother and step father up Yorkshire way, deposited various furniture and belongings in our house, his father and step mother's house and his mother's house, both got jobs before they went, both had to change due to commuting problems but both managed to get new jobs before they left the previous job and they are working for the same employer but they are very good employers, they saved and within a year had enough saved for a deposit on a 3 bed house, they moved in a couple of months ago, The price there is a third of the price down here and it makes such a difference. They also have a reasonable sized garden, and the room sizes are reasonable, it is a semi-detached town house.

So, not all youngsters are silly. I always hold them up as a shining example. I have to say I am very proud of what they have managed.

They are hoping that managing to get on the housing ladder means they will eventually manage to move back down south, but it will take a lot of doing, although the house they moved into is in an up and coming area so quite possible.

mayonnaise

Fella wrote: »

The kind of MP you get from Corbyn & his Momentum thugs:

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-mp-issues-apology-after-revelation-he-asked-girls-aloud-for-an-orgy-and-said-fat-women-don-t-deserve-respect-1-8819419

Newly-elected Sheffield Labour MP Jared O'Mara has apologised - after revelations he asked pop group Girls Aloud to have an orgy with him - and said that fat girls don't deserve respect.

Mr O'Mara also reportedly posted that it would be 'quite funny' if the pop star Jamie Cullum was 'sodomised' to death.

And he also reportedly posted a song with the lyrics: 'I wish I were a misogynist, I'd put her in her place, I wish I were a misogynist, I'd smash her in her face.' He also described Sheffield United supporters as “f***ing pigs” and the residents of Leeds as “a bunch of rugby lovin’ c****”

Kinder, Gentler Politics.

Oh wow. A Labour MP posted some offensive stuff 13 years ago.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

I was hoping for a sensible response but got sarcasm instead so let me try again. What do you believe to be the the essential things if you are not living in poverty.

Start with food, clothing and shelter and take it from there.

It depends what you think the welfare state should exist to do,


If you have the Victorian view that it should just about keep poor people alive to punish them while they endure a shortened life of penury interspersed with periods sleeping rough and being forced to work in exchange for food, then we are going in the right direction.


If you don't have some kind of baked in world view that everyone who isn't you is a layabout who just wants to claim benefits and have children called Tyler and Paige, and believe a society is judged by how it treats its weakest members not its most privileged - then one could say it isn't.

economic

Arklight wrote: »

It depends what you think the welfare state should exist to do,


If you have the Victorian view that it should just about keep poor people alive to punish them while they endure a shortened life of penury interspersed with periods sleeping rough and being forced to work in exchange for food, then we are going in the right direction.


If you don't have some kind of baked in world view that everyone who isn't you is a layabout who just wants to claim benefits and have children called Tyler and Paige, and believe a society is judged by how it treats its weakest members not its most privileged - then one could say it isn't.

the poor are actually doing just fine. they are receiving a decent amount of state support. many actually abuse it. you are very deluded.

Arklight

fatbeetle wrote: »

Maybe this is the answer, seems to be working over here..



EFTPOS = switch type cash card.

It isn't up to the government to decide what people spend their money on. If there is a problem with gambling and alcohol in some communities then provide support for that as a public health problem.


If there is a problem with low unemployment then provide jobs.


If the underlying problem is segregation then work on that.


Australia's shameful treatment of aboriginal people is not a model any other country should be following.