Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Fella

mayonnaise wrote: »

Very interesting.
Good to see the Guido Fawkes blog reporting on the really important stuff.

Good to see you still can't bring yourself to acknowledge it when you're soundly beaten in an argument (or a referendum).

Had it been a Tory MP the Corbynistas would be braying for his resignation. And you certainly wouldn't be on here trying to defend it.

westernpromise

Arklight wrote: »

As the other poster said, if you don't like paying tax then you will have to go to a country that doesn't take any.


That would be somewhere like Somalia. Not sure how well your buy to let empire would do there but I wish you all the best finding out.

I haven't suggested there should be no tax. I have suggested that I pay far too much. The top 1% of earners pay 37x as much as the other 99% and quite a lot of the 99% are net takers, not payers-in. As such I have a right to require that my money not be squandered on vices as a condition of my continuing to fund the lifestyles of claimants.

The more you feed a tapeworm, the bigger and hungrier it gets, it never displays gratitude, its sense of entitlement never lessens and eventually it kills you and thereby itself.

It's the same with countries. Hosting a tapeworm isn't healthy and certainly isn't civilisation, although obviously the tapeworm itself is not going to agree.

westernpromise

Fella wrote: »

Good to see you still can't bring yourself to acknowledge it when you're soundly beaten in an argument (or a referendum).

Had it been a Tory MP the Corbynistas would be braying for his resignation. And you certainly wouldn't be on here trying to defend it.

Yep. They're all for anti-racism unless it's anti-semitism, they're anti-sexism unless it's their own sexism. At that point they minimise it or deny it or redefine it out of existence.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

Good to see you still can't bring yourself to acknowledge it when you're soundly beaten in an argument (or a referendum).

Had it been a Tory MP the Corbynistas would be braying for his resignation. And you certainly wouldn't be on here trying to defend it.

He made the remarks in question 15 years before he became an MP, when he was 21.


If it appears that he holds those views now, or even recently, then he very definitely should resign from being an MP, not just the select committee on equality that he has stood down from.


Otherwise, I wouldn't want to be judged by what I said on the internet when I was 21, and neither would you if you were honest about it.


I am quite keen on Tories standing down, mostly because that would force a byelection and so many Tory seats are marginals now they would lose many of them.

Arklight

westernpromise wrote: »

Yep. They're all for anti-racism unless it's anti-semitism, they're anti-sexism unless it's their own sexism. At that point they minimise it or deny it or redefine it out of existence.

One of the reasons the Right is trying so hard to make miles out of this is that you have so little ammunition left with anything else.


Acres of propaganda about Jeremy Corbyn being a Jew hating communist IRA terrorist who is also an appeasing cowardly conscientious objector, achieved nothing because people can spend 5 minutes on Google and look things up themselves.


So instead of reading the Daily Mail sewage or a bunch of reds under the beds claptrap from 1950, they read about a decent and principled man who has been re-elected by his constituents for an entire career, by a vast margin.


The same is true of Diane Abbott, if you want to step outside the blizzard of racism, repugnance caricatures, and misogyny that spews from the Right at the mention of her name. Some people might be surprised to learn that far from being the sponging, innumerate African immigrant she is painted to be, she was born to working class parents in London, was so bright she got into Cambridge as one of only three black students, and then was fast tracked in the civil service.

GreatApe

Arklight wrote: »

The same is true of Diane Abbott, if you want to step outside the blizzard of racism, repugnance caricatures, and misogyny that spews from the Right at the mention of her name. Some people might be surprised to learn that far from being the sponging, innumerate African immigrant she is painted to be, she was born to working class parents in London, was so bright she got into Cambridge as one of only three black students, and then was fast tracked in the civil service.

she hasn't aged well then

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Arklight wrote: »

The same is true of Diane Abbott, if you want to step outside the blizzard of racism, repugnance caricatures, and misogyny that spews from the Right at the mention of her name. Some people might be surprised to learn that far from being the sponging, innumerate African immigrant she is painted to be, she was born to working class parents in London, was so bright she got into Cambridge as one of only three black students, and then was fast tracked in the civil service.

All made possible by the Grammar School system that she now wants to destroy.

Fella

Arklight wrote: »

Otherwise, I wouldn't want to be judged by what I said on the internet when I was 21, and neither would you if you were honest about it.

To be honest I think most of us didn't say stuff like that even at 21. There's a difference between being young & daft and being a nasty sc*mbag.

Arklight

westernpromise wrote: »

I haven't suggested there should be no tax. I have suggested that I pay far too much. The top 1% of earners pay 37x as much as the other 99% and quite a lot of the 99% are net takers, not payers-in. As such I have a right to require that my money not be squandered on vices as a condition of my continuing to fund the lifestyles of claimants.

The more you feed a tapeworm, the bigger and hungrier it gets, it never displays gratitude, its sense of entitlement never lessens and eventually it kills you and thereby itself.

It's the same with countries. Hosting a tapeworm isn't healthy and certainly isn't civilisation, although obviously the tapeworm itself is not going to agree.

Yes exactly. Why are a majority of tax payers, despite working full time, paid so little they need to be subsidised by people who are disproportionately wealthy, to enable them to access a fading pool of badly run and grudgingly given basic services?


Your image of the parasite is very apt, but it doesn't apply to the group you think it does.

Arklight

Fella wrote: »

To be honest I think most of us didn't say stuff like that even at 21. There's a difference between being young & daft and being a nasty sc*mbag.

I am fully prepared to accept he is a nasty scumbag if there is any evidence to suggest that.

Mouthing off on the internet 15 years ago when he was just out of his teens isn't enough evidence to draw that conclusion, however.


Considering Boris Johnson was laughing about dead Libyans and reciting Imperialist poetry in Yangon, both events that drew demands for resignation from his own colleagues in the Tory party, a couple of weeks ago, may I ask why you aren't demanding the same from him?


For what it's worth I don't actually think Johnson is evil. I do think he's unbelievably dim and has been promoted so far above his own level of ability that he is damaging our country, however. Which is why he should be sacked if he won't go himself.


I can't find any data on how Jared is performing as an MP for his constituents.