Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Moby

.string. wrote: »

On the matter of "friends", rationalized above as being "freindly" and thus only polite.

There is a huge difference between declaring oneself friends with someone and being friendly" with them.

Corbyn's definition of what he meant by 'friends' is good enough for me since:-
1. Only he will know what he meant because he said it!
2. Why would one accept your view when you are not exactly impartial to start with.
I repeat Major dealt with Adams and McGuiness and by the way used Corbyn and others as a conduit to exchange information with the IRA because he didn't want to 'dirty his hands' himself.

....No it's so obviously another way of smearing him by people who have their own agenda.

ruggedtoast

Corbyn's Middle East detractors follow the same worn old axioms they use for everything else, and spectacularly miss the point.

Pretty much all Corbyn's policies involve doing things in a new way, economically and politically. Its no surprise that conservatives in Labour and the Tories don't like him.

As a Corbyn supporter I just don't care. I don't think any of us do.

We've had decades of cruddy, extortionate and late trains run by private companies so lets try nationalising them.

We've had decades of a festering sore in the middle east, creating terrorism and hatred, due to basically only recognising Israel and the America as stakeholders in the any peace process. Perhaps if we actually try including the other side as well, like we did in Northern Ireland, we might end up with the same peaceful solution.

Or we can just keep watching the Americans and Israelis blasting Palestinian children into minced meat and wondering why Hamas wont lay down arms or moderate its position.

Its the same with everything else, education, inequality, housing. A lot of people think its time for something new and Corbyn is offering that. If you dont want something new then dont vote Labour in 2020. Simple.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Pretty much all Corbyn's policies involve doing things in a new way, economically and politically.

Not new but old. If Marx was your hero.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Politicians of all sides speak to terrorists all the time. Difference is he did it in public. His aim was to encourage 'jaw jaw' instead of 'war war'. Calling them 'friends' was not meant to be taken literally as if they were die hard 'buddies'. Of course when people are predisposed to view someone in a particular way because of their own prejudices they will spin it in the worst possible light.

why didn't he speak with both sides?
how does embracing one side help resolve a conflict?
did he call both sides 'friends'
did he ever confront his IRA friends about the murders of children?

Fella

I don't know much about Corbyn yet. But in terms of his appeal he (still) strikes me as the Labour Boris. By which I mean it doesn't actually matter much what he says, the fact he clearly appears to believe it, rather than be quoting spin, is making him loved. Boris has spent years saying stuff that would have seen any other MP crucified & probably out of a job but everyone shrugs their shoulders & says it's "just Boris" & he steams on. It's possible the same could apply to Corbyn & if it does the Tories have a real problem.

Either way I suspect he'll turn out to be good news for Labour. He may win. If he doesn't, he's given them oceans of leg-room to move back to the middle & try to launch new-new-labour in 2020. Which is probably a better scenario than they were facing otherwise (most likely Burnham or Cooper giving us 5 dire years of Miliband-esque rhetoric without a new idea in sight, followed by a good kicking in the next election).

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

why didn't he speak with both sides?
how does embracing one side help resolve a conflict?
did he call both sides 'friends'
did he ever confront his IRA friends about the murders of children?

It would help if you'd reference this so we knew what you were talking about.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It would help if you'd reference this so we knew what you were talking about.

Two weeks after the Brighton bombing. He invited two convicted IRA people to speak at the House of Commons. Bad taste is an understatement. Shows complete contempt for others.

Shakethedisease

Well that's Chuka gone as well.. over the EU ?

Given these differences, not least on the European referendum, I would find it difficult to abide by the collective responsibility that comes with serving in the Shadow Cabinet. That is why Jeremy and I have agreed I can more effectively support his leadership from the backbenches. In particular, it is my view that we should support the UK remaining a member of the EU, notwithstanding the outcome of any renegotiation by the Prime Minister, and I cannot envisage any circumstances where I would be campaigning alongside those who would argue for us to leave – Jeremy has made it clear to me that he does not wholeheartedly share this view.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snes8j

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well that's Chuka gone as well.. over the EU ?

Seems as if Corbyn's team is struggling to find enough MP's to fill a shadow cabinet. That's the trouble when you've never supported your own colleagues in the past.

zagubov

ruggedtoast wrote: »

..we can just keep watching the Americans and Israelis blasting Palestinian children into minced meat and wondering why Hamas wont lay down arms or moderate its position.

This is the reason Hamas won't ever give up.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Its the same with everything else, education, inequality, housing. A lot of people think its time for something new and Corbyn is offering that. If you dont want something new then dont vote Labour in 2020. Simple.

The election of Corbyn is the first time I've seen real choices become possible in England in decades, and makes our politics interesting.